Level 3 Outlaws: Implemented or Out of the law?

[Elvish_Pillager]

keep players...

You don't keep people by changing things, you keep people by keeping things the same.

[lilepo2023]

if people say unless you change things we're leaving then you keep people by changing things...

[Darth Fool]

personaly i think that having an outlaw faction makes sense and would make the game infinitly more fun. but of course this is a game for DEVs not players, but you would think the DEVs would like to keep players...

no, I would think that the DEVS only are interested in keeping the game interesting for themselves, and possibly(although this might be stretching it) keeping the game interesting for contributors who add to the DEVS enjoyment of the game.

I agree that the outlaws should not be a faction and that head to head they should be weaker than their counterparts (they are not trained warriors afterall). this is perhaps one of the best reasons for removing them from the alliance with the dwarves and getting a different suitable ally for the dwarves.

That said, I'd prefer to have third level versions of all playable units, except, perhaps, those that start at level 0.

[Elvish_Pillager]

if people say unless you change things we're leaving then you keep people by changing things...

If people have this kind of attitude the devs ignore them.

I'd prefer to have third level versions of all playable units, except, perhaps, those that start at level 0.

I would not[1], but I sure would like a lot more than we have now. Orcish assassins, orcish archers, goblin pillagers(I may make graphics!), Dwarvixh berserkers, Saurians of all types, et cetera...


[1]: Most notably the Lancer. The obvious upgrade, to about 15-3, would be ridiculous. Do we WANT a unit that regularly deals 68 damage in one attack?

[MadMax]

You mean 70 damage? or even 105 damage with time-of-day?

With these level 3 units, I don't see how it would make outlaws more of their own faction. These are not recruitable. Also, these would help give knalgans a better chance in Age of Heroes.

[joshbosh321]

I'd prefer to have third level versions of all playable units, except, perhaps, those that start at level 0.

I would not[1], but I sure would like a lot more than we have now. Orcish assassins, orcish archers, goblin pillagers(I may make graphics!), Dwarvixh berserkers, Saurians of all types, et cetera...


[1]: Most notably the Lancer. The obvious upgrade, to about 15-3, would be ridiculous. Do we WANT a unit that regularly deals 68 damage in one attack?[/quote]

I think Darth means a level 3 upgrade for every level one unit, not for every chain.

[lilepo2023]

EP - if i wanted attention i'd run down the street naked, thats not what we are argueing about though so...

Darth- just because they don't have as much armor or sharper swords doesn't always mean that they don't have tricks of their own or skills that make them twice as deadly...

[Dacyn]

EP - if i wanted attention i'd run down the street naked, thats not what we are argueing about though so...

But we're not arguing. We're ignoring you

[Elvish_Pillager]

EP - if i wanted attention i'd run down the street naked, thats not what we are argueing about though so...

This is ridiculously off-topic... I can't even tell what you're referring to.

[Dacyn]

I can't even tell what you're referring to.

If people have this kind of attitude the devs ignore them.

[scott]

SO back on topic, what would be appropriate stats for outlaws in relation to Loyalist equivalents?

I looked at the unit configs and realized that the L3 outlaws are immensely powerful, comparable to or surpassing the Master Bowman and Iron Mauler counterparts. Who would be a good comparison counterpart to the Fugitive?

I don't want to make the campaign unplayable by having L3 units that are too weak, but I think there's some room here to work with.

[blackjack]

My impression was that we intended for the footpad/trapper/thug line to stop at lvl 2 for the reason that as a non-organised faction, they were supposed to be weaker.

However, a campaign based on these types would definitely need a level 3. I'm not so sure that it wouldn't unbalance TRoW, for example. So I think we could leave them as campaign specials for the time being.

The name Fugitive is good for a enemy leader, but as a unit name, it's not that good. How about footpad to outlaw to Renegade?

In terms of stats, I agree with the intention that they should remain weaker than their loyalist counterparts. Bear in mind that they may have better defense stats in certain kinds of rough terrain. I also think that they generally (or at least the poacher) requires less XP to level. That could be the compensating factor (though it makes campaigns less fun for some... I think skill is its own reward, though)

[Elvish_Pillager]

Who would be a good comparison counterpart to the Fugitive?

Elvish Outrider

[PsychoticKittens]

Might I ask if I can use these stats and names?... I'm making an Era in which has more advancement paths as well as everything going to lvl 3 or better (4 tops). Outlaws get me stuck Idea wise. (except I already have 2 poacher lvl 3's) and yes, Even the level 0's will go up to 3 (I already have goblin impaler level up to 3 and idea for goblin rouser to lvl 4)

[turin]

you could just download the level 3 outlaws from the 1.0 server and stop resurrecting threads about them...