Fencers: Does ANY mainline campaign let you use them?

[RaustBD]

Fencers are my favorite units, but it doesn't look like they're usable in any of the loyalist campaigns I've played. Can somebody direct me to a mainline campaign that lets you recruit fencers?

[monochromatic]

No. The only loyalists campaigns being TSG, EI, and TRoW, there aren't any fencers in them.

[RaustBD]

do you know of any non-mainline campaigns with fencers?

[Edwarfin]

In "Elvish Dynasty", there's a random event that allows you to hire some.

[Zachron]

Fencers appear in Heir to the Throne. Li'sar recruits them in a scenario or two.

[Ken_Oh]

Skirmishers can be problematic in campaigns where the AI doesn't always protect its leader.

[Dixie]

Off-topic but:

Skirmishers can be problematic in campaigns where the AI doesn't always protect its leader.

God, do I hate it when mission objectives say to protect an allied AI leader, and then the AI just throws it in the middle of the ennemy's ranks to finish up a goblin or something AI can be so silly sometimes.

[Anonymissimus]

God, do I hate it when mission objectives say to protect an allied AI leader, and then the AI just throws it in the middle of the ennemy's ranks to finish up a goblin or something AI can be so silly sometimes.

It is any campaign author's job to pay especially attention to this. Usually the single passive_leader key is enough but lots of scenarios/campaigns lack it.

@topic, in Story of the Wose there's at least one fencer, and I think I recall very faintly that they were even recruitable.

[Zachron]

Fencers are recruitable in Story of the Wose.

[IPS]

I dont like much the fencers, Calvary is much better.

Fencers are a very unstable unit. Calvary is much more stable and if it's in good hand, it can be a headdache for your oppoents. Overall if them are undead, notheners or Knalgans.


But, it's really curiusly what you can't see fencer in the campaigns (In the tale of two brothers you don't see them). I have only played the campaigns The Tale of two brothers and Liberty, Liberty was really nice.

[monochromatic]

Cavalry have 40% def in villages, so they can be pretty much annihilated by archers while village stealing. Fencers have low-hp. But together, they make a frighteningly effective village-steal which can cause chaos for your opponent.

[IPS]

In neutral time Trolls Whelps does to them 4-2 (that is awesome)

The calvary is a unit with much adventages and unadventages, the thing is how use it's adventage and it's unadventages.

For me, it's the best unit of all battle for wesnoth.

[RaustBD]

I mainly like fencers because of their obscene avoid that they get from almost every terrain type in the game, be it mountains, villages, forests, forts, or even flats. They have great versatility and can fight pretty much anywhere unhindered. Plus, skirmisher is an awesome ability in terms of not only offense, but defense as well.

Also, HP is really over-rated in my opinion. It's much better to be able to reduce the overall amount of damage you take, because the more you rely on HP to survive, the longer it'll take you to heal. Units like the heavy infantry and fencers, who rely on their resistances and defense respectively to reduce damage they take, can heal to full health and get back on the front lines much more quickly.

Plus, the master-at-arms looks frankly awesome, especially on a black or red team.

[Velensk]

I generally prefer high hp to high defense because there is less luck involved.

No matter what you do, that strong grunt will always have a 16% chance to kill your fencer at night while taking pretty much no damage. It can come out of nowhere and cripple your plan even if the rest of the time you are fine. When it comes to it, no matter how lucky that grunt it it won't be able to take down a cavalry in a single go, infact, no matter how lucky those two grunts get they won't be able to take down that resilient cavalry in a turn.

[Hulavuta]

That's why the Drake's main weakness isn't always a weakness