Tips for playing with the loyalists??

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Tips for playing with the loyalists??

Post by Stratos »

I'm starting to believe the loyalists are the worst race in Wesnoth world, they are expensive and weak, so some advices to play with them will be very nice!
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Re: Tips for playing with the loyalists??

Post by Blarumyrran »

Stratos wrote:I'm starting to believe the loyalists are the worst race in Wesnoth world, they are expensive and weak, so some advices to play with them will be very nice!
spearman is very good for its price. and what spearmen cant handle(undead), Heavy Inf can. + you can have leadership on your king.
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Post by Raemon »

Err . . .

. . .

Read JW's 'How to play' series for Loyalists. They're very good.
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Post by Stratos »

If I'm not wrong the "How to play the loyalists" guide is not available
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Post by Velensk »

I think that as loyalists figuring out what to recruit is one of the most critical skills. One thing I find new players doing that is underestimating cavalrymen and opting for the much more expencive horsemen.
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Post by Raemon »

Indeed you are not! In that case . . .

(DISCLAIMER: I'm not a very good player, so don't take this advice to heart.)

Loyalists are in fact a fairly cheap faction, and an extremely versatile one. They have a unit for virtually anything. Because of their strong lean towards daytime fighting it is important that you, well fight at day. For the most part they aren't that weak - Spearmen cost 14 or so and have a 7-3 attack (I think.) They have average terrain boosts, so if you're facing rebels or knalgans it's important to fight away from their prefered territory on a fair footing.

So, ah . . .

Horsemen and mages are not meant to be made in large amounts, since they cost a lot, die easily and are rather specialised.

Heavy Infantry have good defenses, but move slowly and have unreliable attacks. These are good for holding a defensive line.

Fencers are useful, as they can get around enemies to finish off units.

Cavalrmen are not bad fighters but you have better. Keep them for scouting, village stealing and providing emergency assistance.

Spearmen and bowmen will probably be your main fighting force.

I can't really say much more without knowledge of your problem. They are not particularly expensive or weak, so . . .
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Post by Ultimatum479 »

Loyalists have no rival in versatility save possibly the Knalgan Alliance. As Raemon said, you name your problem and a Loyalist will name his unit. In my opinion, though, it's magic which makes the Loyalists really shine. Maybe that's just cuz my luck with hitting sucks, so I need magic to hit anything.
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Post by Imp »

Loyalists are not cheap. They are about average cost.

Loyalists are also one of the most awesome factions. There are so many ways to play them and their strategies usually come easily and naturally.

In the newer releases (1.3.1 onwards), the starting time of day changes. In the prior releases, the default time of day disadvantaged Loyalists because combat usually started at night.
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Post by Stratos »

A "How to" guide like the other factions will be great!! Know where to fight and what to use against any enemy will be really apreciated!!
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Post by Ultimatum479 »

Imp wrote:Loyalists are also one of the most awesome factions. There are so many ways to play them and their strategies usually come easily and naturally.
There's a reason why Loyalists are the default faction in the default campaign. ^_^
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Post by Imp »

Ultimatum479 wrote:
Imp wrote:Loyalists are also one of the most awesome factions. There are so many ways to play them and their strategies usually come easily and naturally.
There's a reason why Loyalists are the default faction in the default campaign. ^_^
I think HttT is the quintessential Battle for Wesnoth campaign, and they feature mainly Rebels.

However, I consider TROW the best mainline campaign, so perhaps you are right and it is my obsession with Loyalists shining through.
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Post by Stratos »

Hope to get that "How to play loyalists" guide some day
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Post by Beholder »

Stratos wrote:Hope to get that "How to play loyalists" guide some day
My tip: Unless you are pretty sure you are doing, avoid Horsemen.
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Post by Ultimatum479 »

Funny thing is, that's the opposite of the campaign strategy. In campaigns, recruit all the Horsemen you can when you've got gold to spare, because on a level when you don't, you'll appreciate the 20 gold recalled Horsemen instead of recruiting 23 gold Horsemen.
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Post by Martinus »

Loyalist have average cost on their units, but their good all around spearman costs only 14 gold which is fairly cheap. Bowman costs 15 which is not bad, and has a considerable melee attack in addition to a good ranged. They both have an ok hp and can hold on most high def terrains for some time. Cavalry is a scout/fighter with a below average (still considerable) attack and good blade/impact resistances. They usually can hold off melee attacks and are good against killing mages, but most cheap ranged pierce units wound them easily. Some sheer numbers of raw damage:
Spearman ---- Cavalry ---- Bowman
Day - 9-3 --------- 7-3 ------- 8-3
Dawn 7-3 --------- 5-3 ------- 6-3
Night Dont attack with those units at night

At night your power is significantly lesser, so unless your opponent cant hurt you or you have other good reasons (finishing off weakened units, killing close to level up units) don't attack. Remember that retreating, or making a move without attacking (to keep ZOC) is also an option. Keep your pressure at day, sometimes you have to advance your units at dusk to do this.
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