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JW · Post by JW » March 24th, 2006, 10:17 pm

Interesting stuff. I didn't know. In America werewolves are always blood-thirsty killers. :p

Post by **Ken_Oh** » March 24th, 2006, 10:35 pm

#1 Why are you guys equating chaotic with evil?

#2 Gameplay > Story. Doing anything other than making Werewolves strongest at night would ruin any gameplay. I don't care how you do it. If you can somehow circumvent the night/day, chaotic/lawful deal and just make them stronger at full night, then so be it. But, doing anything other than making them stronger at night is, IMHO, dumb.

JW · Post by JW » March 24th, 2006, 10:38 pm

Ken Oh wrote:Why are you guys equating chaotic with evil?

Orcs. Undead. Outside life experiences.

I think the better question is: do you not associate chaotic with evil, at least somewhat?

Post by **Thrawn** » March 24th, 2006, 10:45 pm

JW wrote:
Ken Oh wrote:Why are you guys equating chaotic with evil?
Orcs. Undead. Outside life experiences.

I think the better question is: do you not associate chaotic with evil, at least somewhat?

orcs are not nesseccarily evil.
Chaotic means in general unorganized. Whereas loyalists, drakes have a set system of life and codes of conduct and status, orcs try, but debase it, elves don't care (neutral), and undead is just a necromancer controlling minions, and not very organised.

Post by **Ken_Oh** » March 24th, 2006, 10:49 pm

I see plenty of lawyers and politicians as evil, yet lawful. I see Jesus as chaotic as he went against the authority figures.

I don't see Orcs as necissarly evil.

Tell you what, I'm going to move this discussion to the User's Forum because I'd like to see some input from more people.

edit: here http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 053#145053

and, btw, I think the Werewolf faction is a great idea. I really hope it gets off the ground.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » March 24th, 2006, 11:59 pm

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...Sorry, that was very rude... But, o well

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JW, I think I'm going to make the Stalker line chaotic. That kinda makes sense too, since they have nightstalk and such.

JW · Post by JW » March 25th, 2006, 12:51 am

Jester wrote:JW, I think I'm going to make the Stalker line chaotic. That kinda makes sense too, since they have nightstalk and such.

Cool. Having a unit of every alignment would make your factiion unique in that respect.

Glaucus · Post by **Glaucus** » April 5th, 2006, 1:26 am

Isn't the change from man to wolf brought about by the full moon? Which suggests that the werewolf would be at the height of their powers at night.

Also as far as I am aware even in European mythology werewolves were evil killers who ate corpses and little children. I believe the church even charged people with the crime of being a werewolf.

Having said that, why can't the werewolves of Wesnoth buck the trend and be something totally different from the traditional idea of the beast?

SmokemJags · Post by **SmokemJags** » April 5th, 2006, 1:55 am

Then it wouldn't be a werewolf. It would be something original and would probably warrant an original name.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » April 5th, 2006, 2:56 am

Okay, let this be name proposal completely for public use.

Err... something like Licans maybe?. I'm just drawing on roots here.

Glaucus · Post by **Glaucus** » April 5th, 2006, 6:20 am

SmokemJags wrote:Then it wouldn't be a werewolf. It would be something original and would probably warrant an original name.

The origin of the word werewolf comes from the joining of two words, one (wer) meaning man and the other being wolf. So, any man-wolf could be approprately called werewolf even if its behaviour isn't based on the mythology associated with the word.

Big Bad Joe · Post by **Big Bad Joe** » April 5th, 2006, 1:29 pm

Just my two cents..
Werevolwes have nothing to do with a full moon - that is a myth made by some anglo-american writer

( Same with this Stokers vampires). They were basically men with a power to change their shape - like JWs shapeshifters. No killing beasts, no bloodlust, nothing like that. How I know it? Their origin is very probably the legends of ancient Slavons - werevolwes were leaders of our tribes, great heroes - it is very near to totemism and shamanism of american indians. It is the same as with "stolen" vampires - no problem with silver until they became known because of some " braque writer" ( Originally they are turkish, came with Osmans to Balkan and then spread to another countries, they were even able to have children in these times, they still were with their families, just not in the daylight

, they were not able to cross the flowing water, they could not come into your house without invitation etc.. ).

I can provide links to these information but just in czech. So If you can not speak czech do not ask for it..

Jester · Post by **Jester** » April 5th, 2006, 4:59 pm

Big Bad Joe wrote:
I can provide links to these information but just in czech. So If you can not speak czech do not ask for it..

Wikipedia is such a wonderfull site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire

Though werewolf lit. means 'Man-Wolf', and so 'my' werewolves could be named werewolves, it is to much asociated with the Holywood werewolfs.
So yes, a new name would be appropriate.

Names I like:
-Lycans, Lycanthropes
-Weri
-Neuri
-Lubins, Lupins

Vote!

Post by **Ken_Oh** » April 5th, 2006, 8:00 pm

Big Bad Joe wrote:Just my two cents..
Werevolwes have nothing to do with a full moon - that is a myth made by some anglo-american writer

Actually, there is plenty to do with full moons and werewolves and it was very much old world. Look up Ergotism (the fungus in question is in full effect during full moon).

I vote for Werewolves.

JW · Post by JW » April 6th, 2006, 12:06 am

I like Lycans or Lycanthropes. Lycanthropes sounds more tormented.