New unit idea

martenzo · Post by **martenzo** » March 23rd, 2005, 6:04 pm

Name=Desert rider
Level=1
Resist.
Pierce -20%
Blade 30%
Impact 30%
Fire 40%
cold -30%
holy 20%
moves 8
Terrain mod.
Sand moves 1 def 60%
grass 1 40%
mountain --
hills 2 50%
deep water --
shallow water 3 20%
swamp 3 20%
cave wall --
cave 2 40%

working on graphics
Some explations for the resistances and terrain mods :
Fire 40% - they live in the desert and have high heat tolerance
Low water speed and def.- they are not used to fighting in the water
I've also made some corrections. This unit is a scout.

drachefly · Post by **drachefly** » March 23rd, 2005, 6:08 pm

you forgot the attacks.

martenzo · Post by **martenzo** » March 24th, 2005, 2:34 am

drachefly wrote:you forgot the attacks.

thx, the thing was i was in a hurry when writing that.

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alignment=neutral
hp=18

Scirmitar (melee)
8-2 blade
charge

Net/Bow (ranged)
Net:
5-3 (impact)
slow
Bow:
4-4 (pierce)
marksman

I don't know which one is better the net or the bow. I'm still working on the graphics

martenzo · Post by **martenzo** » March 24th, 2005, 2:56 am

well... I have done some work with the graphics here's the result (not a good one, but still a result)

stillnotelf · Post by **stillnotelf** » March 24th, 2005, 3:03 am

For a level 1 unit, I would weaken its attacks and lower its movement rate (those seem much too good), and improve its HP to maybe 28 or so.

Perhaps 6 or 7 movement (whatever Elvish Scout has),
6-2 Scimitar
5-2 slow Net

Nets would be easier to make and maintain in a desert than bows and arrows...a dry bow will snap in two, the wood needs to be supple.

Post by **turin** » March 24th, 2005, 3:05 am

stillnotelf wrote:Perhaps 6 or 7 movement (whatever Elvish Scout has),

Um... Elvish Scout has 8.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » March 24th, 2005, 3:08 am

A frankenstein heh? You need to change somethings, like adding shadows to the horse, wich looks like a cow.

A Nomad would fit more, a unit riding a camel, looks like arabian (maybe with that arabian hat), but this fits more the art forum.

A great unit for Under the Burning Sun. Wich with the arabian idea, made me realize that making unit's skin darker on that campaign may fit more, since they live under the burning sun

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Or a skeleton, with a more brown bone, because of the sand.
I'll talk to quartex later.

stillnotelf · Post by **stillnotelf** » March 24th, 2005, 3:10 am

turin wrote:
stillnotelf wrote:Perhaps 6 or 7 movement (whatever Elvish Scout has),
Um... Elvish Scout has 8.

Actually, I just checked the unit list, it says it has 9...egg on my face..

Post by **turin** » March 24th, 2005, 3:16 am

A while ago someone (I think Asereje) made some really nice-looking nomad-type horse units. I would do a search for the thread...

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » March 24th, 2005, 3:19 am

I think it sux that the elvish rider does not get advance to movement anymore, when he level up to outrider.

CyberJack · Post by **CyberJack** » March 25th, 2005, 6:50 pm

One small mod: don't disallow mountain terrain. There are mountains in the desert (Wesnoth has a special terrain type for "desert mountains"), and camels & such can handle mountains quite well. I suggest making 'mountain' the same as 'hills', i.e. 2/50%, maybe 3/50% if you want to slow them down a bit more. Maybe 3 if you give them a move of 8 or more, 2 if the base move is no more than 7; then at least 'quick' units will be able to move 3 or 4 hexes in mountains.

The terrain you would really want them to suffer on would be snow/ice, which you seem to have missed. Something like 4/20% or worse ...

As for the resistances, I would suggest that the values for all physical attacks should be closer to 0. Desert clothing tends to be lightweight, providing no particular protection against (or vulnerability to) any specific attack type. So I wouldn't give them -20% against pierce, nor +30% against blade and impact.

(If you do a "Desert Warrior", he might have +30% against blade and impact. But he'll probably only move 5...)

stillnotelf · Post by **stillnotelf** » March 25th, 2005, 6:55 pm

I think the pierce resistance is caused by the horse, not the rider...Perhaps because a long object is more likely to get tangled up in its legs? Arrows would injure horses more because they can't "not use" an injured arm like a human fighter might.

drachefly · Post by **drachefly** » March 25th, 2005, 7:29 pm

stillnotelf wrote:Perhaps because a long object is more likely to get tangled up in its legs?

not if the spear-wielder AIMS. I think the main issue of pierce and horsemen is that they're moving quickly and can't change direction so easily, so they can end up impaling themselves.

Of course, if this horseman acts as mounted infanntry, then that would not be so.

stillnotelf · Post by **stillnotelf** » March 25th, 2005, 11:20 pm

drachefly wrote:
stillnotelf wrote:Perhaps because a long object is more likely to get tangled up in its legs?
not if the spear-wielder AIMS.

I think it's an established fact that no one in Wesnoth aims very well; hit percentages are based on how well the target can hide. The exception would be Marksman units. On the other hand, your explanation does make more sense than mine...

CyberJack · Post by **CyberJack** » March 25th, 2005, 11:41 pm

stillnotelf wrote:
drachefly wrote: not if the spear-wielder AIMS.
I think it's an established fact that no one in Wesnoth aims very well; hit percentages are based on how well the target can hide. The exception would be Marksman units. On the other hand, your explanation does make more sense than mine...

I don't think it's a matter of hiding (how do you hide from an opponent in melee combat!) so much as dodging. The better the terrain suits you, the more easily you can move to avoid an enemy's attacks.

Thus a dwarf in the mountains is sure-footed enough to step around (under?) an opponent's spear, but in a swamp he's bogged down and can't avoid the thrust. Conversely, a merman in a river is a slippery target, but on a hillside he's floundering around like a fish out of water