Troll don't die
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Troll don't die
No one thinks that the troll youth is too cheap, they are very hard to kill sometime, he is like a wose powerfull attack, regen and a lot of hp, good resistances and almost no weaknesses (beside a small 10% to arcane magic that many factions don't have and little compared to the 50% of weaknesses of the wose) plus he also gets 50% def. on hills and 60% on mountains (wose can get max 40% in forest), Orcs are already powerful without, Grunt rush is a strong tactic, so idk maybe increasing him to a cost of like 15 gp (or at least 14) would not hinder the faction I think.
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Trolls die on 30%, or they are just ignored by enemy, because they do only little damage.
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They die easily to a focused assault, and they do almost no damage at daytime, and not much at nighttime.
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Is the whelp like the wose? Let us compare whelp 7-2, wose 13-2. whelp hp: 42, wose hp: 52. In fact the wose L1 stats are pretty close to the L2 troll. The wose has more pronounced weaknesses, but better resistance against pierce and impact.
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Whelp: 13 goldtaptap wrote:Is the whelp like the wose? Let us compare whelp 7-2, wose 13-2. whelp hp: 42, wose hp: 52. In fact the wose L1 stats are pretty close to the L2 troll. The wose has more pronounced weaknesses, but better resistance against pierce and impact.
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A bit of a difference?
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I think that the difference of cost is too big, Trolls need also less experience to advance than Woses, at night they can be fearsome, and they can be hard to kill even at day especially if they are on a good terrain, its like an unit with lot of hp in a villagge with the difference that he can go everywhere.
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You shouldn't compare just one unit to another unit. The rest of the faction matters as well.
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I am aware of the price difference. But it is justified, they are nowhere of similar strength.
If it were a blatantly underpriced unit it would be recruited more often and in higher numbers and lead to troll only wins, but afaik grunts, assassins and maybe even nagas do more work in MP northerner play. Trolls do play a role, but you get so much less damage output for your gold that spending a lot of gold for trolls isn't a winning proposition. In fact, the whelp has about the lowest melee damage output of any melee-only L1 (only ghoul and thief have less, but they have weapon-specials), when you buy it then because of its (slow-moving) resilience not because of its damage (there are archers and mixed damage scouts that do similar melee damage!). This is a completely different role than the wose (an expensive, highly specialized heavy infantry with some obvious weaknesses).
If it were a blatantly underpriced unit it would be recruited more often and in higher numbers and lead to troll only wins, but afaik grunts, assassins and maybe even nagas do more work in MP northerner play. Trolls do play a role, but you get so much less damage output for your gold that spending a lot of gold for trolls isn't a winning proposition. In fact, the whelp has about the lowest melee damage output of any melee-only L1 (only ghoul and thief have less, but they have weapon-specials), when you buy it then because of its (slow-moving) resilience not because of its damage (there are archers and mixed damage scouts that do similar melee damage!). This is a completely different role than the wose (an expensive, highly specialized heavy infantry with some obvious weaknesses).
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I think the matchup we need to be most concerned is orc vs undead where troll is a very important unit for orcs.
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In this matchup I think Northernes are underpowered and trolls turn to trollish walking corps pretty easy.Colouredbox wrote:I think the matchup we need to be most concerned is orc vs undead where troll is a very important unit for orcs.
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