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[cookie]

I'm actually not sure if we'll be needing any more council volunteers. I think we have a strong base now, and honestly, we can't take just anybody. I want veterans and masters!

I fit there! HIRE ME TOO! I WANT IN! PICK ME!!

[tekelili]

After an oponent made me lost my nerves I becomed to think that may be a "ladder behavior guide" quite visible on ladder page would be a good idea. It mostly could be resumed as "try to be a decent human being", but it looks like for some people it is not evident how do it. I want mostly point a frecunt behavior: Complaining about bad luck.

I find understable that every player can feel himself very bad about how rng wiped his/her chances in a game. I also find understable from human behavior that sometimes you cant avoid look for emphaty and use game chat to show your hurted soul. But frecuent complaining in almost every game about any attack that went with a low chance of misses is IMHO a badly behavior.

I think is disrespetfull to your oponent for several reasons. You are negating him value to his game skill (and victory if happens), as it looks that just "rng cursing you" was reason for your defeat. It is also disrespetfull because your oponent is going to have the same undesirable outcomes from rng, if not in that game, in any other, and is not fair for him have to read very often that "rng just curses you". And finally, frecuent complaings in same game looks like your only target is make your oponent feel bad and I think all ladder players should be looking for make games an ejoyable experience.

This behavior can hurt so much, that can even push a guy to post here complaining about it

[Doc Paterson]

After an oponent made me lost my nerves I becomed to think that may be a "ladder behavior guide" quite visible on ladder page would be a good idea. It mostly could be resumed as "try to be a decent human being", but it looks like for some people it is not evident how do it. I want mostly point a frecunt behavior: Complaining about bad luck.

I find understable that every player can feel himself very bad about how rng wiped his/her chances in a game. I also find understable from human behavior that sometimes you cant avoid look for emphaty and use game chat to show your hurted soul. But frecuent complaining in almost every game about any attack that went with a low chance of misses is IMHO a badly behavior.

I think is disrespetfull to your oponent for several reasons. You are negating him value to his game skill (and victory if happens), as it looks that just "rng cursing you" was reason for your defeat. It is also disrespetfull because your oponent is going to have the same undesirable outcomes from rng, if not in that game, in any other, and is not fair for him have to read very often that "rng just curses you". And finally, frecuent complaings in same game looks like your only target is make your oponent feel bad and I think all ladder players should be looking for make games an ejoyable experience.

This behavior can hurt so much, that can even push a guy to post here complaining about it

Well said. I've found that it's easy to spot guys like the one you described by looking to see if they have a 4 for their sportsmanship. It's shockingly difficult to get an overall/average sportsmanship of 4, and if somebody with a lot of games managed that, you can assume that they complain about luck a real lot. It's funny too, because I had an example in my mind, which ended up being the very guy you described: http://ladder.subversiva.org/profile.ph ... I_Draculea

Guys like that will give you a 5 as long as you agree with them that you won because of luck.

[Rigor]

i will do that as soon as we have the next map pack version and post it together. i also thought of vlad as soon as i read what u have written.

[The Black Sword]

lol, I remember when I first joined the ladder I gave pretty much everyone 3s for sportsmanship, the odd 4 if they were really nice. Somehow it has transitioned to 5s for everyone .

[Scatha]

I think that that kind of rating inflation is a consequence of publicly visible individual ratings. If you give high ratings to people they are more likely to rate you highly, so there is incentive to give high ratings. This might be averted by not making individual game scores visible, but that has a various other problems ...

[Paxe]

It's funny too, because I had an example in my mind, which ended up being the very guy you described: http://ladder.subversiva.org/profile.ph ... I_Draculea

Guys like that will give you a 5 as long as you agree with them that you won because of luck.

Good night everyone
I think is not fair pointing this guy. I have been playing Wesnoth lot of time and I can tell you that everybody, (yes, I wrote everybody) has sometime justify his/her no victory because of bad luck. When you have more experience playing you get to realize that this game is not only a question of luck is much more than this... You all should now.

This happens allways at first playing ladder games (this guy is new at ladder). I invite all players to check first ladder games of any player and check their commentaries.

Other thing is bad manners and bad words using... But this is simple solution: do not play anymore with that player.

This is my way of thinking

Have a nice weekend

Sincerely

Paxe

[Doc Paterson]

It's funny too, because I had an example in my mind, which ended up being the very guy you described: http://ladder.subversiva.org/profile.ph ... I_Draculea

Guys like that will give you a 5 as long as you agree with them that you won because of luck.

Good night everyone
I think is not fair pointing this guy. I have been playing Wesnoth lot of time and I can tell you that everybody, (yes, I wrote everybody) has sometime justify his/her no victory because of bad luck. When you have more experience playing you get to realize that this game is not only a question of luck is much more than this... You all should now.

This happens allways at first playing ladder games (this guy is new at ladder). I invite all players to check first ladder games of any player and check their commentaries.

Other thing is bad manners and bad words using... But this is simple solution: do not play anymore with that player.

This is my way of thinking

Have a nice weekend

Sincerely

Paxe

"Everybody does it" is a terrible argument (and for what it's worth, *not* everybody does it). Obviously when we refer to specific individuals as being badly behaved, we speak in context, relative to other players that we've interacted with. I personally feel that this guy has no redeeming qualities- being consistently insulting and rude, complaining about maps, complaining about factions, complaining about luck, calling people, maps, and/or situations,"gay" (which drives me crazy)...... etc.

[Huumy]

Sup.
Some people are always bad mannered, in a open ladder system like wesnoth you can just not play with them.

Anyway I just came here to say you can kick me out of the map counsil (if you haven't already). Atm I'm taking a break from wesnoth to be honest I just find starcraft 2 be more interesting to me and more competive and less luck based (not much but still slightly). I will still be playing some occasional games on wesnoth ladder.

Before I "go" I just wanted to say that playing on wesnoth ladder have been a great joy. When I started playing the ladder I was first afraid it was my first experience playing a strategy game in system that ranks you and I was serious about getting up the ranks. I don't remember what exactly happened in my first games but I remember my first games went 1-2 to player named ScoutShine (I hope I got it right) he is/was 1700 or 1800 player (he was really nice btw). I loved the nervous feeling when playing some1 high ranked player, and after close wins after some really good players I had hard time not crying for joy. Of course there was also the stupid losses after them I would shake my fists in anger or take a short walk before playing more.

Anyway I just want to remind people that this game is awesome! Not just the game, the community is awesome there's so many good mannered and nice players out there that I have shared my wesnoth experience with I just want to thank you every single one. I've always tried to be good mannered but I've had my bad days, I'm sorry if I offended any1. Sorry about the finnish translate thing I just didn't have enough self-discipline.

I have the worst sense of time. I think I have played wesnoth 2-4 years now and will continue to play (lot less tho). Just wanted to say it have been great to "see" so many good fellows during those years

Ps. The game truly takes 5 mins to learn but a lifetime to master

Edited in ScoutShine instead of Cylon_Centurion

[Doc Paterson]

Anyway I just came here to say you can kick me out of the map counsil (if you haven't already).

Well, you were a Royal Advisor, and will be, forevermore. The title stays.

I remember my first games went 1-2 to player named Cylon_Centurion (I hope I got it right) he is/was 1700 or 1800 player (he was really nice btw).

Who, this guy? http://ladder.subversiva.org/profile.ph ... _Centurion

He's trouble.

Anyways.....

You will be missed!

I'm glad you're not quitting altogether, so hopefully we'll still see you around from time to time.

[cookie]

Atm I'm taking a break from wesnoth to be honest I just find starcraft 2 be more interesting to me and more competive and less luck based (not much but still slightly). I will still be playing some occasional games on wesnoth ladder.

I have the worst sense of time. I think I have played wesnoth 2-4 years now and will continue to play (lot less tho). Just wanted to say it have been great to "see" so many good fellows during those years

HUMMYY BUMMYY!! You're leaving it the same time I am! Co-incidently.
HAha You will be missed! Who else will know about Willy?
At least you didnt waste so much time. I prolly wasted over 5 years.

And I know I am an awesomee fellow ^^

Also Cylon_Centurion is a genius! Prolly one of the kindest people around on the server. Perhaps Hummy should know the secret of Cylon? *HINT HINT*

You play starcraftt?? :OOOO maybe we would see each other in the game and not know itt !

[Huumy]

Who, this guy? http://ladder.subversiva.org/profile.ph ... _Centurion

Ups, wrong guy I didn't check it just and I remembered it wrong
It was this guy ScoutShine

You play starcraftt??

My Starcraft account is Rasvapallo and character code 764 it's EU account. Actually I'm playing 2v2s with some1 who I met on wesnoth

I'm glad you're not quitting altogether, so hopefully we'll still see you around from time to time.

I'll be active forum member still

[Gallifax]

Edit:Questions answered.

[Gambit]

"Maybe this guy is very good (I dont know how much since he got better rng also). BUT HE IS REALLY REALLY ANNOYING (at least for me). If there is less than "lousy conduct" he will get it ... Hope you will be nice with another players"

Here is the replay , maybe others can tell me what else is there more to say than gg and bye bye. Not aware of having insulted you at any point, Shorty. But maybe you can eleborate your point.

I would prefer, if this discussion is going to involve any sort of argument or heat, that it would take place privately.

[wisefighter]

Hello guys,

attached please find a good example of non existent sportsmanship in a ladder match.

It's a great pity that this kind of people belong to ladder ...