Elvish horse archer

[Disto]

Maybe a kind of light Cavaly other than elvish scouts, i personally think there should be a kind of light cavalry with bows and sword abilities, like the scout but for all the other campaigns when your not just playing as elves, or to make the elvish scout more of a scout and have a light cavalry which would be stronger than it was, so with a small amount of armour and say a short sword and short bow also a spear for a charge. If used with elves the horseman would be removed from the Heir to the Throne because if the elves were helping your commander to escape whats the likelyness of getting human horse man

Like (7-2 spear(charge)maybe), 5-3 short sword , 6-3 bow and to decrease a scout to say 5-3 short sword and a 5-2 short bow. So the human equivilant would be able to do more damage than the elves but would be vulnerable to archer fire.

They would then upgrade to the Elvish cavalry archer which would have 9-2(charge), 7-3 sword, 7-4 bow. The accuracy would naturally be less accurate then the ground counterparts as they would be on a moving horse back.

Then they would go to another level, i can't think of a name and would get like 11-2 spear(charge), 9-4 long sword, 9-4 long bow.

I can draw or anything so i won't be able to get a pic.

[Elvish_Pillager]

Although I like the idea, I don't like the specifics of your post, but here's an idea: Let the Elvish Scout have an alternate upgrade, the Elvish Horse Archer. It would have a stronger ranged attack and less movement, maybe 8 moves, 5-3 melee, and 7-4 ranged attack.

[Dragonking]

Although I like the idea, I don't like the specifics of your post, but here's an idea: Let the Elvish Scout have an alternate upgrade, the Elvish Horse Archer. It would have a stronger ranged attack and less movement, maybe 8 moves, 5-3 melee, and 7-4 ranged attack.

I qgrre with you, but I think scout should have a lot of movement points, so maybe movement 9

[turin]

Although I like the idea, I don't like the specifics of your post, but here's an idea: Let the Elvish Scout have an alternate upgrade, the Elvish Horse Archer. It would have a stronger ranged attack and less movement, maybe 8 moves, 5-3 melee, and 7-4 ranged attack.

I qgrre with you, but I think scout should have a lot of movement points, so maybe movement 9

8 is already a lot of MP... i don't get what your trying to say. scout is currently balanced, we're not going to change it, we should only add an alternative upgrade to it.

[Disto]

That was another point which i was going to make but neglected too, as i needed to make sure it wasn't much worse than the horseman but not too powered.

We'll just have to get a decent pic for it then if you lot like it.

[Disto]

Although I like the idea, I don't like the specifics of your post, but here's an idea: Let the Elvish Scout have an alternate upgrade, the Elvish Horse Archer. It would have a stronger ranged attack and less movement, maybe 8 moves, 5-3 melee, and 7-4 ranged attack.

That'll do, and as long as maybe it has a decent spear attack with the upgrade it sounds cool, i'll talk to the piccy guy about the image. And maybe call the 3rd lv one a Elvish Horse Elite or Elvish Cavalry Elite or something along those lines or maybe even Elvish Elite

[turin]

or not have a third level at all... i like the idea of one branch that makes it to third level and one that doesn't.

[Disto]

or not have a third level at all... i like the idea of one branch that makes it to third level and one that doesn't.

What, one branch? that makes it to 3rd lv and 1 which doesn't, Ahem where is this other branch, ooooh i see sorry i'm tired but i still don't particulary like the idea of it branching out from scout if it will lose potential levels.

[Disto]

I'm prepared to do the unit config if someone else will do the graphics

[Dragonking]

I qgrre with you, but I think scout should have a lot of movement points, so maybe movement 9

8 is already a lot of MP... i don't get what your trying to say. scout is currently balanced, we're not going to change it, we should only add an alternative upgrade to it.

Well, I wrote it really unclear :/ Elvish Hore Archer is a lvl2 of scout unit, so it should has a lot of movement points, will be nice to see 9 (IMO)

[turin]

i think you're missing the point. the elven horse archer would be better than the elven rider in combat, but worse at scouting. thus it can't move faster.


tree would be like this:

Elvish Scout -> Elvish Rider -> Elvish Outrider
Elvish Scout -> Elvish Horse Archer


no 3rd level for the horse archer.


and you really don't have any shot at getting this in unless you are willing to have it be an advancement of the elvish scout, IMHO. elves have enough first level units already, and they're not exactly known for their horsemanship, so another horse unit would be extraneous.

[Elvish_Pillager]

A try at a base image.

[Dragonking]

i think you're missing the point. the elven horse archer would be better than the elven rider in combat, but worse at scouting. thus it can't move faster.


tree would be like this:

Elvish Scout -> Elvish Rider -> Elvish Outrider
Elvish Scout -> Elvish Horse Archer


no 3rd level for the horse archer.


and you really don't have any shot at getting this in unless you are willing to have it be an advancement of the elvish scout, IMHO. elves have enough first level units already, and they're not exactly known for their horsemanship, so another horse unit would be extraneous.

Look at Elvish Ranger - ambush, 7-4 meele, 6 moves, 7-4 ranged. Look now at Horse Archer - 8 moves, 5-3 meele, 7-4 ranged, no abilites, can't advance. Horse Archer IMHO will be weak 2nd lvl unit, gove him at last more movement...

[Disto]

I still think it would be nice to have a 3rd level, a Elvish Horse Elite which would be between the lv 3 Scout and the human Horseman personally should let people have a look over the next few days. There should be a kind of weak second level unit and then a more kickass 3rd lv so it would be a bit of a challenge to keep it alive and then it'd be more balance in my opinion. Because i dislike the ranger but i think the avenger rocks, personally i would rather a 2nd level Marksman than a ranger but i prefer a Avenger to a sharpshooter. It should be a almost reward. Maybe give it alot of XP it has to get before it goes into a Elite. Comparable to a Outrider even though it is a specifically combat unit the Outrider can do more damage with its blade doing 6-4 compared to the Horse archer which only does 5-3, so it would be best in my opinion to have a 3rd level Elite which maybe does 7-4 sword, 9-4 bow or 8-5 bow as it is a fast unit at heart. Maybe add some armour to a level 3 one so it looks different.

[Elvish_Pillager]

Look at Elvish Ranger - ambush, 7-4 meele, 6 moves, 7-4 ranged. Look now at Horse Archer - 8 moves, 5-3 meele, 7-4 ranged, no abilites, can't advance. Horse Archer IMHO will be weak 2nd lvl unit, gove him at last more movement...

Look here: The Elvish Ranger is one of the most powerful level 2 units in the game, and the Elvish Rider is one of the weakest level 2 units in the game. It *does* need to leave you a reason you'd ever want to pick the Rider.

Besides, I'd say the extra moves of the Horse Archer mostly makes up for its other disadvantages over the Ranger. If it had any more damage on its ranged attack, it would look overpowered next to the Marksman, too.