Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Let me know if you need more information, such as replays or other specifics.Luke the Flaming wrote:I'll try to look what's wrong with the Campfires.
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
If you had a save file (not replay) of any turn, I'd gladly look into it.koan wrote:Let me know if you need more information, such as replays or other specifics.Luke the Flaming wrote:I'll try to look what's wrong with the Campfires.
At a quick glance, the campfires seems to work fine (at "easy" difficulty there is a 25% chance that each of them does not lose HPs after both Disciples are dead, but you seem to have experienced a perennial non-loss), so it must be something I'm overlooking...
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Hm I reloaded the game and tried a few turns, and where I previously thought that the campfires didn't lose any hitpoints (what the explanation text describes as "run out of combustible"), they now seem to do. But I noticed now that the maximum hit points decrease together with the actual hit points, and that's why I previously thought they didn't lose any hit points: I always saw N/N instead of M/N (with M < N) and didn't remember the number. Wouldn't it be less confusing if only the actual hit points decrease?Luke the Flaming wrote:but you seem to have experienced a perennial non-loss), so it must be something I'm overlooking...
Anyway, sorry for wasting your time looking into it, as the bug was in my head and not in your excellent campaign
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Reducing the max HPs along with the current total was easier (for me at that time) to write (to avoid unwanted effects like shamans healing the campfires, etc.) and since it works fine, I'm not going to try to modify it now (with the risk of "breaking" something).
Don't worry for the "false bug", after all it has been quite easy to "fix" it.
Don't worry for the "false bug", after all it has been quite easy to "fix" it.
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Since i liked the campaign the first time i just started it again on 'hard'. Don't stand a chance to win "Underground" on that level since although the time given is 42 rounds, actually you have 32 only. Either you've reached the exit by that time or simply get dropped to hell for the cave hasn't any ground left.
Did i miss any clou to slow down the loss of ground? Otherwise i shall hope that's a bug...
Did i miss any clou to slow down the loss of ground? Otherwise i shall hope that's a bug...
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
I've played the whole campaign a couple of times on "hard", so I know it is feasible.klein_atuin wrote:Since i liked the campaign the first time i just started it again on 'hard'. Don't stand a chance to win "Underground" on that level since although the time given is 42 rounds, actually you have 32 only. Either you've reached the exit by that time or simply get dropped to hell for the cave hasn't any ground left.
Did i miss any clou to slow down the loss of ground? Otherwise i shall hope that's a bug...
Of course (as all campaigns on "hard") it supposes you are familiar with the scenario (as you are) and hence able to plan the best route.
A few notes:
-) the amount of collapsing tiles isn't fixed, it has a small variance (if you are really unlucky, you could effectively get a few turns less than average; you should still be able to do it... barely);
-) it is a difficult scenario, you may have to sacrifice some troops (i.e. account for their demise), yet you need the power (and possibily the healing skills) of some advanced units ...keep it in mind when recruiting/recalling (it may be hard to find the right balance);
-) advancing is more important than defeating enemies... try to kill only those blocking the path. Use villages for a quick healing and do not mind if they are taken by foes (their income is going to last for a few turns only, in any case). Consider sending a few "doomed" units (level 1s recruited ad hoc) to distract some enemies and keep them busy until the abyss swallows them all;
-) if you are really despaired, remember that you've only to face 2 of the 3 "dwarven quests", so you may play the campaign skipping this scenario.
It is really a tough scenario on "hard", but no bug infests it!
Surpassing it will feel sweet, when you manage to do it.
P.S. I am really glad that you liked the campaign! I wish you even more fun with it.
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Thx for the reply. Did the scenario yesterday after i started it completely new as the first of the quests instead as second. Don't know whether that may influence the settings (speed of ground vanishing) but i got some more rounds this time while i only needed 32 - but only with replays at one point which i don't like too much.
Some random elements are fine for me, but again this is a question of how much - with effectively 10 rounds less i find it hardly possible to reach through. there's not even time to recruit a second time with the elves and therefor little option for tactical variants like sending distracting units anywhere.
In short: maybe such random Settings, completely unbiased by the player, shouldn't have _such_ a large influence on ones chances - it's pretty frustrating to play 30 rounds to find you have no chance any more, just because the RNG rolled one single dice on the scenario start.
Guess a mininum number of really playable rounds of about 36 would still leave it tough enough.
And still i'd feel kind of betrayed when 42 rounds are shown while only 36 are really given...
Some random elements are fine for me, but again this is a question of how much - with effectively 10 rounds less i find it hardly possible to reach through. there's not even time to recruit a second time with the elves and therefor little option for tactical variants like sending distracting units anywhere.
In short: maybe such random Settings, completely unbiased by the player, shouldn't have _such_ a large influence on ones chances - it's pretty frustrating to play 30 rounds to find you have no chance any more, just because the RNG rolled one single dice on the scenario start.
Guess a mininum number of really playable rounds of about 36 would still leave it tough enough.
And still i'd feel kind of betrayed when 42 rounds are shown while only 36 are really given...
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
My pleasure.klein_atuin wrote:Thx for the reply.
No influence at all.klein_atuin wrote:Did the scenario yesterday after i started it completely new as the first of the quests instead as second. Don't know whether that may influence the settings (speed of ground vanishing)
I agree.klein_atuin wrote:Some random elements are fine for me, but again this is a question of how much
I wanted to avoid a fixed number of crumbling tiles to negate "gamey" tactics. The current solution gives to the scenario the uncertainity and feel of urgency ("run ,run!") that I wanted it to have.
In the end it is a matter of tastes.
I do not think it has.klein_atuin wrote:In short: maybe such random Settings, completely unbiased by the player, shouldn't have _such_ a large influence on ones chances .
The "virtual die" rolled for the abyss is (on hard) "1,1,2,2,2,3"... on 30 rolls you will be very close to the average expected value most of the times (the exceptions aren't more likely than your Archamage failing all his four magical attacks or such other events that are bound to happen in a game like Wesnoth).
After you have played the scenario once (as you should if you are playing "hard"... just as you did, in fact), it should be prety clear that the timer is not the number of turns, but the advancing edge of the abyss. You should not even look at that small number close to the flag!klein_atuin wrote:And still i'd feel kind of betrayed when 42 rounds are shown while only 36 are really given...
Besides, you could get lucky with the abyss (i.e. it advances a bit less than average) and then why should I penalize you for that by removing those few extra turns?
Besides, having a few extra turns in the timer will give you a handful of gold (at the end of the scenario) that may prove useful later. A lot of campaigns have scenarios with many more turns than needed just for that (I think I've kept the limits in many of my scenarios already quite low, in comparison).
P.S. if a single element ruins your enjoyment of the scenario, feel free to edit it! I do not take responsibility for how the balance of the whole thing will go then, but it is your game so you should enjoy your time with it!
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Definitely. And just don't get me wrong, that far it's pretty fine that way.Luke the Flaming wrote:The current solution gives to the scenario the uncertainity and feel of urgency ("run ,run!") that I wanted it to have.
I didn't mean the chances but the extent of a bad roll's effect. Given Wesnoth would surely be Murphy's favorite game i trustfully rely on the worst case happening (but that'll lead to a well known RNG-discussion not belonging here). What i asked for was simply to keep the difference between that worst case and a lucky draw a little smaller so it wouldn't result in forcing players to start the scenario over and over until finally they stand on firm ground.Luke the Flaming wrote:I do not think it has.klein_atuin wrote:shouldn't have _such_ a large influence on ones chances .
It's all matters of taste like You said - guess i'd like it best, if the total number of rounds until the exit gets cut off remains constant and the number of tiles vanishing only varies from round to round. Happy if you liked the idea, if not...just your decision.
Well - first: sure didn't ask for reducing the number of rounds in generalLuke the Flaming wrote:You should not even look at that small number close to the flag!
It might just be nice, to give the correct information about the time remaining. Just a question of what information one can trust. That "small number" is a basic in playing Wesnoth. Any other "timer" may make it harder or easier to win. Even additional limitations due to concrete actions (like 'save xy before round 5') are fine if clearly given. But i can't help it, to 'outnumber' the total amount of rounds without correcting that small number still feels like being intentionally misleaded.
But... after stressing your nerve three times now i shall stop arguing and just go on playing. And not forget to thank You for the nice campaign again.
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
No stress here.klein_atuin wrote:But... after stressing your nerve three times now i shall stop arguing and just go on playing. And not forget to thank You for the nice campaign again.
Some polite discussion about a game we both like is just "collateral fun" caused by the game itself.
Thanks for the nice words ...and have fun with the game!
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
First of all. Thanks Adamant14 for porting this.
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charcteristic -> characteristic
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trials of the goblins -> trail(s)
EDIT:
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charcteristic -> characteristic
S2
trials of the goblins -> trail(s)
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
Veteran Wardancer help describes two belts, which I believe is in error.
In two scenarios, both heroes have to reach a goal. When the first one gets there, he says something like "we have to wait for the humans". This should be a one time only event, IMO.
S11: serev > serve
I hated the last scenario.
In two scenarios, both heroes have to reach a goal. When the first one gets there, he says something like "we have to wait for the humans". This should be a one time only event, IMO.
S11: serev > serve
I hated the last scenario.
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
The campaign is to good to be forgotten.
fixed (sorry for missing your EDIT, but there is no notification for edits)
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fixedwhite_haired_uncle wrote: ↑November 27th, 2019, 3:20 am In two scenarios, both heroes have to reach a goal. When the first one gets there, he says something like "we have to wait for the humans". This should be a one time only event, IMO.
A last scenario should be hard..., and this one is indeed hard. But it is still beatable, so I think I will not change Luke the Flamings last scenario.
Konrad2, what is your opinion about the last scenario?
That is true, it is caused somehow by the custom AMLA. Sadly I've no idea how to fix that at the moment.white_haired_uncle wrote: ↑November 27th, 2019, 3:20 am Veteran Wardancer help describes two belts, which I believe is in error.
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
I have not yet played it since the port, so I can't give an opinion. :/ Give me a few more days and I'll get there.
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Retaliation
Hey, that sadic killer -> sadistic
surived -> survived
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Re: Our Longest Year (SP campaign with two playable sides)
I had updated the campaign (to 1.14) and changed some stuff (mostly in the second half); I had only the last two scenarios (that include the "big battle") to revise when real life called.
However, maybe one day I'll finish it (for 1.16 or so, at this point ).
In the meantime, thanks to Adamant14!
However, maybe one day I'll finish it (for 1.16 or so, at this point ).
In the meantime, thanks to Adamant14!
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