The Wolves' Last Path [WIP SP campaign for BfW1.14]

[skeptical_troll]

Against all odds, I'm back in the 21st century with an internet connection. I uploaded a new version where I hopefully fixed the textdomains for all files (but let me know if you encounter any problem).

I reworked the pot of The_Wolves_Last_Path. I forgot to add textdomain to the unit file the last time I made pot.

Thanks a lot for doing this, let me know whenever you want me to upload a translation file.

I found a bug in the scenario 03_ye_sleepy_dog.
I was short of money but I was able to hire a dwarf.

Indeed, I fixed that too!

[IIIO_METAL]

Hello skeptical_troll.
I will upload a Japanese translation file, so please accept it.

Japanese_translation_file.zip

It contains pot, po, mo.

(424.09 KiB) Downloaded 261 times

[skeptical_troll]

Hi IIIO_METAL,
I uploaded the new version with your .mo file, let me know if you see any problem. Most likely, the very initial big title will not be translated (for reasons I don't understand, I didn't manage to get it translated in italian in Return from the Abyss), but the rest should be ok.

I also added you in the final credits for the Japanese translation, as IIIO_METAL, if you prefer another name just tell me and I'll change that.
Again, thanks a lot for translating this, I'm sure it was quite some work!

[IIIO_METAL]

I'd like to thank you for including my translation soon and then adding credit to it.

Certainly, it is strange that the first title is not translated. I do not know the cause. But even if that part remains in English, there is no particular problem.

Translation work was definitely hard, but the story you wrote is so wonderful that translating was a fun experience.
Oh yeah, I'm currently playing "Return from the Abyss" translating it to Japanese. I have gone ahead with scenes from parting with Arzeh.

[Snarkus]

Heya skeptical_troll,

Great campaign, just completed part 1, enjoy the effort you put into the dialogue and background text as well as the scenarios. Looking forward to part 2.

A question about the 'Trading in the North' scenario:

Spoiler:

If you send enough bows, food and swords to one of the outposts, does it start spawning defensive units? The mayor's intro implied this but maybe it's just a way to explain why they buy resources?

The 4 trials scenarios were interesting. After completing the first 2, with quite a few losses (I think I did the 'village capture' first and then the 'dark vs light'), I struggled to work out a good strategy for the remaining ones. Particularly as I had let all my healer units die in those first 2 trials (I chose saurian mercenaries), given the mention of getting them back later.

The collecting orbs one was pretty hard - had to go quite negative in gold as it took a bunch of Level 3s to balance maintaining some territory and villages at the top, with punching through later to collect all the orbs. One of my level 3 trolls was very useful in the latter but then I let him get surrounded, so he ended up being an effective distraction to allow the others to destroy the middle leader and collect orbs, before dying. Similar for the mission with the changing spiral to travel - I got lucky with some coins at the start, so recruited ~6 level 3s plus my 2 main heroes. By the end was down to just one support unit plus the heroes, making copious use of the 'Power of SaveLoad' whenever guys died in lava when the terrain moved.

[skeptical_troll]

Hi Snarkus,
thanks for your feedback. Admittedly, I found the balancing of this campaign quite tricky given the weird mechanics I tried and the differences dependent on the choices at the tavern, so I'm glad to have some independent opinion, especially regarding those 4 trials.

To start by answering your question

Spoiler:

A question about the 'Trading in the North' scenario:
If you send enough bows, food and swords to one of the outposts, does it start spawning defensive units? The mayor's intro implied this but maybe it's just a way to explain why they buy resources?

Yes, that should happen unless there is a bug (it was working last time I tested it, at least). They need both food and bows, or food and swords and they'll spawn a poacher or a lvl 1 swordsman, respectively. They will stay around until the resources are consumed

The collecting orbs one was pretty hard -...

Any specific thing/enemy you found particularly tough here that you'd consider sensible to nerf?

Similar for the mission with the changing spiral to travel - I got lucky with some coins at the start, so recruited ~6 level 3s plus my 2 main heroes. By the end was down to just one support unit plus the heroes, making copious use of the 'Power of SaveLoad' whenever guys died in lava when the terrain moved.

Also here, what was your main problem? Poison? or slow movement? Lava should be pretty easy to predict and avoid and in some occasion can be used to kill enemies too (you can bet to end on a bridge, but that's quite risky, although it 's always guaranteed that you'll find at least a bridge on a lava channel). Did you feel forced to leave units 'downstream' of lava channels or is the dynamic of the rotating spiral not so clear?

Thanks again!

[Snarkus]

Heya skeptical_troll,

glad the feedback was useful.

Ok, about the four trials and difficulty:

I guess if you could tune the message that pops up at the start of the trials that says you can "recall units killed during the trials afterwards" to emphasise that it is e.g. "after the completion of all the trials".

As I interpreted the message to mean you got all killed units back after each trial. If I had kept my healers (Saurian oracles) alive in the first 2 trials I played, the final 2 wouldn't have been so difficult.

But on the particular 2 harder trials:

The collecting orbs one was pretty hard -...

Any specific thing/enemy you found particularly tough here that you'd consider sensible to nerf?

I think on medium difficulty, just limiting the rate of level 2 enemies from leaders on the left of the map maybe, or a slight income reduction for that leader? As I watched the replay of my game ... I struggled with the combo of the level 2 cockatrices and unicorns with their combo of petrification, charging and magical ranged attacks. Even with a handy chokepoint, without healers using just ~2 units to defend that I found tough.

Similar for the mission with the changing spiral to travel - I got lucky with some coins at the start, so recruited ~6 level 3s plus my 2 main heroes. By the end was down to just one support unit plus the heroes, making copious use of the 'Power of SaveLoad' whenever guys died in lava when the terrain moved.

Also here, what was your main problem? Poison? or slow movement? Lava should be pretty easy to predict and avoid and in some occasion can be used to kill enemies too (you can bet to end on a bridge, but that's quite risky, although it 's always guaranteed that you'll find at least a bridge on a lava channel). Did you feel forced to leave units 'downstream' of lava channels or is the dynamic of the rotating spiral not so clear?

... yes I think on this one, the combo of poison, no healers or villages, combined with the flying fire guys meant it was hard to keep weakened units alive. The fire guys were very effective at finishing off my units that had copped an unlucky poison hit or a few whacks from the rock golems. The moving water was another challenge - it was sometimes hard to get units across before poisoners caught up but without getting hit by units ahead. For reference, on my winning run I got through in 61 turns.

I think just a slight increase in the potion drop rate, or reduction in the fire-guy spawn rate, would make it a bit easier. I did enjoy the challenge, the fire-guys meant you couldn't just camp and wait for potions to spawn and had to press on, but the long number of turns meant after my first couple of losses I resorted to save-scumming a few times.

Ah, the spiral pattern - no I didn't ever completely pick it! I did realise by about half-way thru that the lava headed towards my units each turn so had less fiery swims after that Maybe a hint for us Wesnothians that often play after a long day or school or work would help ... like a unit could say after a few turns, "this trial reminds me of that old song somehow - the Windmills of my mind", if that's not too cheesy

[WackoJacko]

Hi skeptical troll,
I'm not sure if you're monitoring this thread but I have some feedback for you (and I've come to bug you about part two as the guide says

just a few spelling mistakes:
-epydemic --> epidemic
-jergon --> jargon
-Zapphires --> sapphires
-amatour --> amateur
-worm clothes --> warm clothes

You may need to look at grammar in general
-the tenses are often mixed up
-some words are pluralised when they shouldn't be and some aren't pluralised when they should be
-too many commas, don't be afraid to use a period

In the introduction, Neother is talking about acquiring the guide and he says something along the lines of finding himself in a strange land and being broken, I think it should be broke (if you're talking about money). Broken would indicate he was injured.

The trade supervisor unit doesn't have a unit description.

Might just be me, but i didn't realise the tavern had multiple floors, is their anyway to indicate this?

Spoiler:

the boss fight after the four trials seems kinda easy. they only have ~40hp so i just recall a troll or two and easy win

I liked all the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy references

[skeptical_troll]

Hi WackoJacko,
thanks for your feedback and for bugging me I do monitor this thread although at the moment I'm busy with another project.

-some words are pluralised when they shouldn't be and some aren't pluralised when they should be
-too many commas, don't be afraid to use a period

Missing 's's and making overtly long sentences is what I'm best at when writing in English Once I'll get back at this, I'll make sure to go through the text again with these tips in mind.

Might just be me, but i didn't realise the tavern had multiple floors, is their anyway to indicate this?

Never thought of this actually. Perhaps I could add a label under the staircase 'to second floor'.

Spoiler:

the boss fight after the four trials seems kinda easy. they only have ~40hp so i just recall a troll or two and easy win

Unless something is broken, they should resuscitate each other until you understand the trick to prevent them from doing so. Was this working? Or you mean that it was too easy regardless? I initially made them level 3, but found it a bit frustrating when playtesting

[WackoJacko]

I put my solution/strategy in the spoiler below

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

the boss fight after the four trials seems kinda easy. they only have ~40hp so i just recall a troll or two and easy win

Unless something is broken, they should resuscitate each other until you understand the trick to prevent them from doing so. Was this working? Or you mean that it was too easy regardless? I initially made them level 3, but found it a bit frustrating when playtesting

I suppose I just got lucky, theres a nice choke point near a portal and theres a few unwalkable/impassable hexes. So if you kill Mage B while Mage A attacks the chokepoint then you have a good chance (1 in 3) of Mage B being teleported away. For me this happened first try