I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

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I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by CalculusKing » April 5th, 2016, 9:31 am

This is my first forum post - been a lurker for a while now. Using an extreme Father Morvin / Sister Thera resurrection cheese, I was able to kill Rakshas in "An Old Friend." This is on nightmare difficulty. I am aware that this has been done before on hard, but not to my knowledge has anyone done this on nightmare (and the last replay I can find is years old anyway), so I figured I would post it here. Given that this scenario on nightmare is basically just watching red paint dry all over the battlefield as your troops and the enemy slaughter one another, this seems like a good way to have some fun nevertheless.

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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by Inky » April 6th, 2016, 2:57 am

That's awesome, nice job!

It's always interesting to see that no matter how impossible the author tries to make a scenario, Wesnoth players will always manage to find some way around it. :D
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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by semper » June 29th, 2016, 9:15 am

Hi CalculusKing,

I watched your replay. I am curious, is my copy of your replay corrupt, or did the AI in your mission mainly recruit level 1 archers (on nightmare mode nonetheless?) and did you recruit a ton of level 1 archers as well?

Watching your game, I am seeing a bloodbath of level 1 archers... this is a very different experience than I had when I played the mission (where most of the AI units were level 2 and 3).

Well done, still, in any case!

Edit: Also, unless it is my cope of your replay which is corrupt, you posted the wrong replay because the AI isn't defeated. Could you describe what you did, if you remember?

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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by Aldarisvet » June 29th, 2016, 10:21 am

When I played that campaign I avoided any of this couple to get killed so I began to know about their immortality relatively late. And even after that I avoided them being killed because I found this ressurection feature illogical, ridiculous and unfair.
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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by semper » July 2nd, 2016, 10:24 pm

It adds some humor and takes strategy to adapt to their 'immortality', Aldarisvet.

Also, their immortality is helpful but not enough to make the missions give-aways, due to the difficulty of the missions. I find, even with the couple being immortal, it is still easy to loose your other units-- units you need in order to complete the missions.

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Post by Sudipta » July 6th, 2016, 11:42 am

Yeah. Protecting Camerin is the hardest, since i am always tempted to blow stuff up with great mages
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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by beetlenaut » July 6th, 2016, 8:27 pm

Aldarisvet wrote:When I played that campaign I avoided any of this couple to get killed so I began to know about their immortality relatively late. And even after that I avoided them being killed because I found this ressurection feature illogical, ridiculous and unfair.
I also avoided getting them killed, so I didn't learn that they were immortal until I saw someone talking about it on the forum. That was on challenging though. It would be really hard to win on nightmare without liberally using their trick. The levels are balanced with immortal magi in mind. (Although "balanced" is kind of a strong word for NR.)
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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by semper » July 7th, 2016, 5:09 am

beetlenaut wrote:
Aldarisvet wrote:When I played that campaign I avoided any of this couple to get killed so I began to know about their immortality relatively late. And even after that I avoided them being killed because I found this ressurection feature illogical, ridiculous and unfair.
I also avoided getting them killed, so I didn't learn that they were immortal until I saw someone talking about it on the forum. That was on challenging though. It would be really hard to win on nightmare without liberally using their trick. The levels are balanced with immortal magi in mind. (Although "balanced" is kind of a strong word for NR.)
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Post by ElderofCheese » July 8th, 2016, 11:38 pm

Wow, nice, I tried to finish this campaign on nightmare but I can't get past that orcish fortress, even like 10000 gold killed of orcs doesn't help, the orc horde is just endless lol, the mages resurrection cheese doesn't help that much either, i can't get them close enough to the orc castle to try to kill leaders, maybe finishing that scenario on nightmare is possible but certainly it would require much more tries to do that.

Also about that Rakshas scenario - I had so much fun with that, I had like 10000 gold and I just kept spamming footpads and other cheap units just to get them as fast into combat and as many of them as possible, the gold is not caried to the next scenario so why not try to have fun and do that? It is a nice feeling when you actually can outspam ai on nightmare diff lol
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Post by pauxlo » September 2nd, 2016, 8:54 pm

ElderofZion wrote:Also about that Rakshas scenario - I had so much fun with that, I had like 10000 gold and I just kept spamming footpads and other cheap units just to get them as fast into combat and as many of them as possible, the gold is not caried to the next scenario so why not try to have fun and do that? It is a nice feeling when you actually can outspam ai on nightmare diff lol
I think this might be the reason you have problems later. The gold is not actually lost, you can get most of it back (that is what the story is about), and then you (and your allies) can use it in the final battle.

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Post by ElderofCheese » March 30th, 2017, 3:29 pm

pauxlo wrote:
ElderofZion wrote:Also about that Rakshas scenario - I had so much fun with that, I had like 10000 gold and I just kept spamming footpads and other cheap units just to get them as fast into combat and as many of them as possible, the gold is not caried to the next scenario so why not try to have fun and do that? It is a nice feeling when you actually can outspam ai on nightmare diff lol
I think this might be the reason you have problems later. The gold is not actually lost, you can get most of it back (that is what the story is about), and then you (and your allies) can use it in the final battle.
Well, maybe but in the final final battle it doesn't matter, since that one is easy anyway. Btw I finished it already
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Post by The Great Rings » April 20th, 2017, 11:35 pm

Inky wrote:That's awesome, nice job!

It's always interesting to see that no matter how impossible the author tries to make a scenario, Wesnoth players will always manage to find some way around it. :D

Due to the way RNG works, their's really no such thing as an unwinnable battle in this game, short of a time limit to achieve something that is literally impossible to beat.
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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by ElderofCheese » April 21st, 2017, 1:17 am

The Great Rings wrote:
Inky wrote:That's awesome, nice job!

It's always interesting to see that no matter how impossible the author tries to make a scenario, Wesnoth players will always manage to find some way around it. :D

Due to the way RNG works, their's really no such thing as an unwinnable battle in this game, short of a time limit to achieve something that is literally impossible to beat.
Only if you have immortal units and a lot of luck xD
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Re: I just killed Rakshas...On Nightmare in "An Old Friend"

Post by urdithane » May 25th, 2017, 2:16 pm

I tried this strategy, with the immortal wizards, but I just succeed to reach to Rakshas at turn 18 so I had not enough time to kill him.

Could you tell us what is coming after you kill the boss ?

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Post by holypaladin » November 14th, 2017, 9:58 am

Gratulate Calcucus :D You are champion
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