Draw by repitition on Isar's!

[ryan]

So I got bored and I sort of thought northerners and undead had an advantage on isar's so I set up an AI battle that's currently going on right now.
It's currently turn 334.

The northerners have like 20 guys, the undead only have their leader, a level 3 necromancer backed into a village where only two squares can attack. They can't seem to bring him down lol

Come watch if you're bored

ryan's game - 4pIsar's

edit: I wonder if this actually is a draw of it the bruteforce ai needs to be tweaked?

edit2: Currently at turn 460, and thinking about it, it can't be a draw, the northerner AI should make nothing but assassins and change poison the necro, that would probably win eventually.

[IB]

Turn 3888? Seriously?

[tsr]

But I think this is a beautiful example situation that we should store some place (togheter with other more obvious cases) for future reference when it comes to AI-programming.

/tsr

[AI]

Is it still running? I'll be at home in an hour or two and I'd love to take a look.

[ryan]

I just woke up and it made it to turn 3888

Eventually the RNG must have just caught up with the necro

Still that's nuts!

[ryan]

I'll attach the save game

[joshudson]

Could have been worse. How'd you bring it down if it were a lich. Assassins won't do.

I presume you were playing on default era, and I don't think a lich comes down by troll whelps due to drain.

[Weeksy]

with lich you'd suicide archers, I guess.

[ryan]

Yea, the AI didn't seem to like to suicide its guys, which were necessary.

It eventually got brought down by a level 2 troll and leveled up grunt (at least that's what I think happened, watching 3888 turns on anything other than skip all animations and 16x accel is impossible)

[Lorbi]

There would be 2 ways for the northie to win.
Either try with assasin so that the helaing from village stops due to the poison.

Or get a lvl3 himself. ( This is: attack with say 2 whelps, both get 3 xp, evben if one dies use 2 new whelps to attack and so on )
The 3xp will sum up as time goes by and the units level. -> time to kill

[AI]

Meh, the main problem is that when a unit is too strong to attack, the ai will generally not attack, but still puts his units next to them.

Example (earlier in that game):
-orcish archer in village
-skeleton attacks archer, doesn't kill him
-skeleton archer moves next to village too, does not attack (because he's too weak against the orcish one, but this way you'll never win)
-next turn orcish archer kills skeleton

Same pattern repeats itself during the rest of the game:
-orc moves 2 units next to necromancer
-necromancer attacks one of them
[1]
-necromancer kills unit
[/1]
[2]
-necromancer hurts unit
-orc moves unit away
[/2]
[3]
-necromancer misses
[/3]
[1|2]
-orc moves new unit there
[/1|2]

only time this doesn't happen is if the orc considered his units strong enough (naga, rocklobbers), but it usually only had one of those close enough, and they died quickly.