Not to cry sexist, but...

Post by **Sangel** » March 29th, 2004, 5:16 pm

Why is the Princess so much weaker than the Lord? She's a level three unit, he's a level three unit, but they're so far from equal. Not only does he have 20 more hitpoints, his sword does more damage and he has a bow attack as well.

At the very minimum, I think she should have a 12-5 sword attack and 52 hitpoints. Adding in near-immunity to Holy attacks would also fit the high fantasy theme.

miyo · Post by **miyo** » March 29th, 2004, 5:20 pm

Princess is elusivefoot, this means she is quite often hard to hit. Same as fencers and thieves.

More information:

http://wesnoth.slack.it/?UnitTables
http://wesnoth.slack.it/?MoveTypeTables

- Miyo

Post by **Dave** » March 29th, 2004, 5:23 pm

Actually the Grand Plan is to make Li'sar start on level 2 (and be rather powerful for a level 2 unit) and be advancable to level 3.

Hmm....there are already graphics for it...so why don't I go off and do this now?

David

Post by **Sangel** » March 29th, 2004, 5:29 pm

I've checked out the tables, miyo, and while she's harder to hit, she tends to take more damage when she does get hit, so that balances out somewhat. I think she needs a minor bump in power in any case - though if those stats are for a Level 2 Li'sar, it would make sense how weak she is comparatively.

Someone's already done a Level 2 Li'sar graphic? That's awesome.

Post by **Dave** » March 29th, 2004, 6:10 pm

Sangel wrote: Someone's already done a Level 2 Li'sar graphic? That's awesome.

Actually someone has already done a level 3 Li'sar graphic. Found in images/human-battleprincess.png. The current Li'sar graphics will become level 2.

Of course, it still does need to be animated.

David

Eponymous-Archon · Post by **Eponymous-Archon** » March 29th, 2004, 6:50 pm

On the broader front, I've re-written most of the unit descriptions so that they are sex-less. Some of the unit names might be taken to imply sex (bowman, for example, or Princess - obviously), but most units could technically go either way...or neither, as in the case of most of the animals and undead.

Just a little FYI.

turin-at-school · Post by **turin-at-school** » March 29th, 2004, 9:13 pm

how does bowman imply it is male? the suffix '-man' simply mean 'being', not specifically male. i see no way it is inherently a male unit, just like the orcish crossbowman is not human, but has the suffix 'man'.

Post by **Sangel** » March 29th, 2004, 10:17 pm

While "man" is used as a generic term quite a lot, if there's an alternative I personally like to go with the alternative. I mean, why not? Making the unit descriptions gender-neutral is kind of nice - then you can choose whether your unit is male or female when you name it.

Anyway, I've alpha-mapped the Battle Princess, and done a quick attack frame. I'll do the defense frame in a little while - what do you think of these two?

[Edit: Figured out the attack frame - the alpha mask was messed up for some reason]

Kamahawk · Post by **Kamahawk** » March 30th, 2004, 12:16 am

The loyalist archers are called Bowmen beacuase "archer" was allready overused.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 30th, 2004, 1:35 am

turin-at-school wrote:how does bowman imply it is male? the suffix '-man' simply mean 'being', not specifically male. i see no way it is inherently a male unit, just like the orcish crossbowman is not human, but has the suffix 'man'.

Please, let's not get into this debate, huh.

Despite its long history as a neutral compound, -man is taken by many these days to mean "a man and not a woman". Hence my "might be taken" in the original posting.

Ave · Post by **Ave** » March 30th, 2004, 6:40 pm

Princess has level 3 while battle princess has level 2 in the CVS

Ave · Post by **Ave** » March 30th, 2004, 8:45 pm

Another small problem, Grand_Knight.cfg is stored as .png in the CVS.

Post by **Sangel** » March 30th, 2004, 9:31 pm

OK, I've completed both attack and defense frames for the Battle Princess now. Let me know what you think.

Post by **turin** » March 30th, 2004, 9:35 pm

the defense image does not look like she is defending, it is more like she is saluting. i advise making her feet change position, so that she is not so stiff.

the attack image looks great, and is a perfect example of moving feet during a frame.

Post by **Sangel** » March 30th, 2004, 9:51 pm

Understood. How about this?

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Not to cry sexist, but...

Not to cry sexist, but...

Broader sexism

princess/battle princess level mixup