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Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 16th, 2018, 9:19 pm

i am not an official art contributor, but i always have been wondering why there are no orcish ruins yet.
so i decided to give it a try.

Those are only the 2 base files for the keep and castles. there are yet many left as the cw/cww/convex/concave connections, but I would be willing to do those as well over the time incase of:

(1) they are actually well done and good enough to be possible added at some point.

(2) somebody would be able to implement/code them, so they could be used before the next patch for costum mp scenarios .
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Here is the list with all connections needed for this to work properly:

35/43

fort-concave-bl need rework
fort-concave-br fixed
fort-concave-l fixed
fort-concave-r need rework
fort-concave-tl need rework
fort-concave-tr need rework

fort-convex-bl need rework
fort-convex-br fixed
fort-convex-l fixed
fort-convex-r need rework
fort-convex-tl need rework
fort-convex-tr need rework

keep-concave-bl done
keep-concave-br done
keep-concave-l done
keep-concave-r done
keep-concave-tl done
keep-concave-tr done

keep-convex-bl done
keep-convex-br done
keep-convex-l done
keep-convex-r done
keep-convex-tl done
keep-convex-tr done

keep-fort-ccw-bl done
keep-fort-ccw-br reworked
keep-fort-ccw-l reworked
keep-fort-ccw-r done
keep-fort-ccw-tl reworked
keep-fort-ccw-tr reworked

keep-fort-concave-tr reworked

keep-fort-convex-bl done
keep-fort-convex-br done
keep-fort-convex-l reworked
keep-fort-convex-r done
keep-fort-convex-tl done
keep-fort-convex-tr reworked

keep-fort-cw-bl done
keep-fort-cw-br reworked
keep-fort-cw-l reworked
keep-fort-cw-r done
keep-fort-cw-tl reworked
keep-fort-cw-tr reworked


4/4


keep-tile looks good
tile looks good
keep ground yet to be tested
fort ground yet to be tested


Posting this list makes it looks like a unmakeable task but i was able to do 4 of them in under an hour soo...

u can find them in
.../data/core/images/terrain/castle/orcish
or you can download them all here
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by Flameslash » April 16th, 2018, 10:26 pm

One potential issue I see is that the ruined keep looks a little too similar to the ruined castle - the basic versions are distinguished by the tower height, whereas your ruined versions have more similar heights.

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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by octalot » April 16th, 2018, 11:03 pm

Orcs seem to like burning stuff, so I think the wooden parts would be burnt. An idea for the keep - have the castle look as if all the timber was ripped out and thrown on to a bonfire on the middle hex, with the large charred area being the keep itself.

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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 12:07 am

Flameslash wrote:
April 16th, 2018, 10:26 pm
One potential issue I see is that the ruined keep looks a little too similar to the ruined castle
i tried not to completly demlish the entire castle. i was afraid that it will not be recognizable in the end.
for better understanding i post some of the conections too since the base image show only 1 of the 6 sides of the hexagon.
octalot wrote:
April 16th, 2018, 11:03 pm
Orcs seem to like burning stuff
I am sure they do, but why would they burn their own keep/castle. Rivalry maybe. Loyalist would might use fire while sieging as well.
Burned wood sounds interesting, maybe some darker spots/spikes on the wood. But if add much more embellishment, it could take too much attraction and totally defocus from everything else. Orcich Castle is full of clutter already, while destruction, that clutter cannot simply disappear.

I post a list with all connections needed for this to work as intended.


Here some of the 30+ connections for better insights:

keep-fort-convex-tr reworked
keep-fort-cw-br reworked
keep-fort-cw-l reworked
keep-fort-cw-tr reworked
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_gif_ruin-keep-fort-convex-tr.gif (4.75 KiB) Viewed 2001 times
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-br.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-br.gif (6.47 KiB) Viewed 2001 times
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-I.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-I.gif (5.87 KiB) Viewed 2001 times
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-tr.gif
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 1:17 am

apparently the keep-fort-cw and keep-fort-ccw is very similar (some are more fortified, some less) which allowed me to finish a couple more before going to sleep.

Here are 3:

keep-fort-ccw-tr reworked
keep-fort-ccw-l reworked
keep-fort-ccw-br reworked
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 1:19 am

And another 3:

keep-fort-convex-l reworked
keep-fort-convex-br
keep-fort-concave-tr reworked
Attachments
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_gif_ruin-keep-forst-convexe-I.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-forst-convexe-I.gif (5.54 KiB) Viewed 1991 times
_gif_ruin-keep-forst-convexe-br.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-forst-convexe-br.gif (5.93 KiB) Viewed 1991 times
_gif_ruin-keep-forst-concave-tr.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-forst-concave-tr.gif (6.16 KiB) Viewed 1991 times
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 9:57 am

Woke up and did 6 more.

Here are 3:

keep-fort-convex-r
keep-fort-ccw-tl reworked
keep-fort-ccw-r
Attachments
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-convex-r.gif
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_gif_ruin-keep-fort-ccw-tl.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-ccw-tl.gif (5.16 KiB) Viewed 1940 times
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 10:00 am

and the other 3:

keep-fort-cw-tl reworked
keep-fort-cw-r
keep-fort-convex-tl
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_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-tl.gif
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_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-r.gif
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-cw-r.gif (6.13 KiB) Viewed 1940 times
_gif_ruin-keep-fort-convex-tl.gif
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by Eagle_11 » April 17th, 2018, 10:38 am

I did not understand why the solid cornerstones crumble while the vulnerabler wooden palisade stays more or less the same. The walls would have suffered the bulk of the damage, because now it looks worn down and damaged, yet still intact, inspecially the keep tile.
Still, in the light of having no other ruined orcish castle we could use them, maybe.

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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Eagle_11 wrote:
April 17th, 2018, 10:38 am
why the solid cornerstones crumble while the vulnerabler wooden palisade stays more or less the same.
more destroyed wood --> more embellishment --> more clutter, i tried to avoid that much clutter
but your right, it doesnt feel natural
Eagle_11 wrote:
April 17th, 2018, 10:38 am
wooden palisade stays more or less the same
this happens only to about half of them. Some more , Some less. I could re-work those so it looks somewhat more natural before proceeding to the remaining ones.
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we could use them, maybe
what other criteria should they fulfill to be considered even more?
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Post by Adamant14 » April 17th, 2018, 1:35 pm

A screenshot would be nice, to see how it looks ingame.
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by octalot » April 17th, 2018, 2:09 pm

ghype wrote:
April 17th, 2018, 12:20 pm
Eagle_11 wrote:
April 17th, 2018, 10:38 am
why the solid cornerstones crumble while the vulnerabler wooden palisade stays more or less the same.
more destroyed wood --> more embellishment --> more clutter, i tried to avoid that much clutter
Maybe just remove some of it? If it needs a justification, in Wesnoth it seems that armies often need to set up encampments quickly; so maybe the orcs take the best logs from the palisade with them for building the next encampment.

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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by ghype » April 17th, 2018, 2:49 pm

octalot wrote:
April 17th, 2018, 2:09 pm
remove some of it?
i reworked 11/16 so the wood pikes are as equally damaged, if not even even more, then the corner stones.
should feel more natural now.
Adamant14 wrote:
April 17th, 2018, 1:35 pm
A screenshot would be nice, to see how it looks ingame.
for some reason i started with the keep-castle connections. once i have a set of keep/castle walls done i can re-assemble them.
i cannot implement them in the game cuz i dont know how to do that.
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Re: Orcish Castle - Destoyed // Mainline?

Post by Eagle_11 » April 17th, 2018, 5:40 pm

Well done! That indeed looks a lot more ruined, you can proceed with the remaining walls.
For how to implement, look into BfWdir\data\core\terrain-graphics.cfg If that remains too much chinese, you can attach the set on this thread after completing the set, one of us will deliver an screenshot on how it looks ingame.

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Post by zookeeper » April 17th, 2018, 7:15 pm

You can pretty easily test these in-game yourself; in the aforementioned terrain-graphics.cfg, there's 3 NEW:CASTLEWALL* lines for the current castle/orcish/ images. Just change those paths to point to your images instead, and there you go. Then if you want, you can easily take comparison screenshots by just drawing some orcish forts in the editor, switching the paths to your new version and pressing F5 to reload everything.

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