BfW logo: Italian localization

[Elvish_Hunter]

I just localized (or at least, attempted to localize ) the BfW logo in Italian. I prepared three variants of it.
The first one has the logo centered, while the "per" word is hooked to the shield's center:

The second one has the writing centered, while the shield follows the "per" word:

In the third one, both the writing and the shield are centered:

Do they need some more fixing? Which one do you think is better?

[LordBob]

I'd suggest a fourth: center the shield, center the text, AND play on kerning and spaces so that the "per" is roughly hooked on the center of the shield. It's doable.

[trewe]

The first one looks good to me. Just not the third.

[GunChleoc]

I'd say use the first one as a base, then move the "Wesnoth" to the right and pull the letters apart a bit.

To save some space on the left, maybe the tt can be moved close together, as a double letter? Remove the serifs (vertical lines) in the middle to join them with a bar. I have no idea if this works, but you might give it a try.

In "Battaglia", I think the first "a" needs to move to the right a bit, it's too close to the "B".

[Elvish_Hunter]

I'd suggest a fourth: center the shield, center the text, AND play on kerning and spaces so that the "per" is roughly hooked on the center of the shield. It's doable.

Thank you for the suggestion! I tried to do this, so here there is a fourth version; in this one, I used a smaller kerning in "Battaglia" and a wider one in "Wesnoth". That's the main problem: "Battaglia" is much longer than "Wesnoth", so it requires some attempts to find a good solution.

I'd say use the first one as a base, then move the "Wesnoth" to the right and pull the letters apart a bit.

To save some space on the left, maybe the tt can be moved close together, as a double letter? Remove the serifs (vertical lines) in the middle to join them with a bar. I have no idea if this works, but you might give it a try.

In "Battaglia", I think the first "a" needs to move to the right a bit, it's too close to the "B".

I prepared the fourth version before reading your post, so your suggestions aren't included in this one. I'll try them for the fifth version, thanks!

[trewe]

nay, this one does not convince me. The double t could be merged into one glyph.
The 'ag' and 'ia' are too tight, letters should not touch one another. And something is wrong with the 'ot' in wesnoth too.

[LordBob]

I still think option #4 is the best one out there, but it does requires some fine tuning.
Merging the double 't' should free enough space to loosen the 'ag' and 'ia'
The 'ot' problem, I think, is because the 'o' is (visually) not centered between the 'n' and the 't'. Evening out those spaces should help.

[Elvish_Hunter]

Fifth version. I tried to implement LordBob's and trewe's ideas, and here there is the result:

Any other suggestion or possible improvements?

[GunChleoc]

This is looking pretty good now.

You still need to delete the vertical lines where the two t's join.

[LordBob]

Agreed: remove the vertical line in the ligature of the double t and it's good to go.

[Elvish_Hunter]

Sixth version. I removed the vertical line as suggested. I also reposted teh discussion in the Wesnoth Italian Forum, where the discussion about the Italian translation takes place. Here I received a critique about the scarce visibility of the "La" article. So I decided to render even this article with a 42 points font.

Finally, an important note: since the Italian translation team does not fully agree on having the main logo translated, in case that it gets approved by the art developers I won't commit it, at least for now.

[GunChleoc]

I see some shading in the connection of the tt - did you merge the two layers after removing the vertical lines?

[Elvish_Hunter]

First of all, sorry for the delay.

did you merge the two layers after removing the vertical lines?

No, I didn't. Instead, I created the two t from scratch, joined them, and then scaled them. But that's not the problem, as instead it's the Bump map effect. See this image:

Spoiler:

Here, you can notice that the effect interpreted the vertical line as raised, and applied the shading after it, on the horizontal line. I don't have much ideas on how to fix this - if it can be fixed at all.

[LordBob]

It can. Once you're certain the kerning and text size won't change anymore, rasterize the layer and hand-edit that part. Handwork, the digital artist's last-resort and the best tool ever.

[GunChleoc]

Elvish Hunter gave me the original file and that's what I did. I also moved the tt's a bit closer together.

One of the tricks I used was to do some copying and mirroring off the right side and set the layer to lighten up only, then fiddled with the transparency. Then finally a bit of tweaking of individual pixels with the help of the copy tool and the eraser.

IT logo tweaked

ETA: phpBB seems to steal the transparency, so here's a zip file as well.

bfw-logo-it.zip

Italian Logo as zip

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