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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Wintermute » March 20th, 2009, 3:04 pm

nice. :)
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by grzywacz » March 21st, 2009, 12:17 am

Perfect. I'd love to see it in game soon. 8)

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Re: Cold terrain

Post by doofus-01 » March 21st, 2009, 3:05 pm

Thanks. I can do the ruins eventually as well. Elf & dwarf keeps are probably (hopefully) not necessary? Encampment is not a permanent structure, so it is probably OK to have that sans snow as well.

It did occur to me that as cool as an Ice Castle would be, maybe Orc/Northerners castles are more important. Is someone working on that? If not, I'll try. Here is the start:

The shading is shallow, there are some glitches, and there are only six images, but it's enough to show the idea. I'd probably remove the cap slabs from the concave parts (1,3,5,7,9,11 o'clock positions), but I'd need to make sure it works for all arrangements.

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Re: Cold terrain

Post by thespaceinvader » March 21st, 2009, 3:08 pm

Looks like a very nice start, but I think something in spiky would be better than in stone, for orcs. That looks very troll at present. Which is cool =D
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Scubaforce » March 21st, 2009, 3:37 pm

It looks like a good start to me! It does seem very troll-like.
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Skizzaltix » March 21st, 2009, 3:50 pm

thespaceinvader wrote:Looks like a very nice start, but I think something in spiky would be better than in stone, for orcs.
...Do remember that nothing is set in stone at present ;)

I agree that it looks very troll, and I think that's a good thing--troll castles would be really handy! Nice work :D

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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Boucman » March 21st, 2009, 4:08 pm

if I understand the other people, this is a castle made of slabs of stone...

though I like the idea, I have to say that this doesn't really work for me. Probably because it's not shaded yet...

what confused me is that it looks too much like a human castle, whith walls and towers, and thus I thought it was a "cartoony" version of that before seeing other people comments

I think this would be much better if you broke away more from the "human castle" feel.
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Thrawn » March 21st, 2009, 5:00 pm

yeah, I'd think something built by orcs would be more of a palisade than a castle...maybe just have walls, but with rubble heaped against the outside?

That seems quite troll-ish to me ^__^
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Sgt. Groovy » March 21st, 2009, 7:22 pm

The subject of orcish castles has come up before, and Jetryl had this to say:
Jetryl wrote: [O]rcs would build fortifications, after the same fashion that they build weapons. Whether they would build them well is doubtful, but they would certainly dig trenches, pile up rocks and mud, and pound in stakes. Orcs understand raw and obvious things, and miss out on subtle things; the presence of fortifications is an obvious enough benefit that they'd know to imitate it; but they'd miss out completely on most of the finer points that make a castle really effective or sturdy.
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by doofus-01 » March 21st, 2009, 9:16 pm

OK, then these are troll encampments. I'll probably lose the wooden beams in that case. Or I could add rubble and wood pikes to make them more orcish.

But here it is with the topless concave parts.
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by thespaceinvader » March 21st, 2009, 9:19 pm

It still looks a little cartoonish. I think it's partly to do with the slightly oversaturated appearance, and slightly to do with the smoothness, and the outlines. Keep up the good work =)
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by CountPenguin » March 21st, 2009, 9:26 pm

I think that the rubble would be a great idea. Maybe even instead of the nicely made stone walls you have now, you could put rubble. I like the 'towers' though.
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by Simons Mith » March 21st, 2009, 9:53 pm

I like them, but they don't strike me as very trolly or very orcy, to be honest. Drake, perhaps?
 

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Re: Cold terrain

Post by turin » March 21st, 2009, 9:56 pm

Is there any reason there have to be towers? They make sense on the human and elven castles, but for something that's basically a line of big rocks, I don't see why you would even have them. I mean, how would you even get anyone on top of them? Or are they just for decoration? IMO they look kinda silly.

Don't feel obliged to have towers just because "castles have towers at the corner" - the wooden palisade castle doesn't, the dwarven castle doesn't... It'd be better IMO if the troll Stonehenge style castle didn't.

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If you turn them into drake castles, it makes more sense - no need to worry about how they get up there, they fly - but I still think they're extraneous and ought to be removed. They make it look less like the kind of defensive structure you would make if all you had to work with was giant rocks, and more like what you would make if you were trying to make something that looks like a human castle but all you had to work with was giant work.
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Re: Cold terrain

Post by doofus-01 » March 21st, 2009, 10:08 pm

Hrrm. Back to the drawing board then. The files are here though, in case anyone wants to use them for anything...
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