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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by shadowm » August 28th, 2009, 9:09 pm

kitty wrote:Somebody please commit him.
Ivanovic (the maintainer of Two Brothers, amongst other things) would prefer to see Bjarn finished as well before committing these, to update the current campaign menu image accordingly.

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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by JustinOperable » August 29th, 2009, 3:48 am

*sighs* fair enough, here's the start of Bjarn. Needs a lot of redrawing.

Edit: replaced the image to a newer version.
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by JustinOperable » August 30th, 2009, 8:14 pm

hmmm... folks seem disinterested but here's another version.
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by thespaceinvader » August 30th, 2009, 8:16 pm

Anatomy looks reasonable, but needs darker lines, and more contrast in the clothing.
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by mabeenot » August 30th, 2009, 9:06 pm

It's so good to see the campaign characters getting an update from their old cartoon-like portraits. Looks good.

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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by JustinOperable » August 31st, 2009, 3:25 am

another round of updates.
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by Thrawn » August 31st, 2009, 4:13 am

looking better ^_^ a couple comments from my limited skill >_>

1. The beard looks wonky right now--it actually looks like the skin is a mask *over* it on the views left, rather than the beard growing out of the skin. I think this is because of the very inorganic shape of the edge of the beard, coupled with a dark outline between the beard and skin that looks like the skin's casting a shadow on it.

2. The browning belt looks as if it's simply a stripe in his robe--it has the same texture and shading as the robe, and there is nothing to suggest that it's thicker/an object going over (hard to explain) than the robe.

3. The biggest thing I can see is the relationship between the book and the hand holding it. They don't seem to be quite together--perhaps this is an instance where holding a book to your chest and looking at it in a mirror would help? In addition (and prolly the reason I noticed this), the linework around the hand and book is still less high quality than the rest of the image--it's very think and standard, pops out from the actual hand. (and even has the book line passing through his hand :shock: !)

Otherwise, impressive work, and I too am glad to see older campaign portraits being replaced! ^__^
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by LordBob » August 31st, 2009, 5:30 am

In addition to what Thrawn says* , there is quite a difference in skin tones . Next to the brightly lit face, the hand seem to have a cadaveric complexion : you should align the skin tones of the hand on those from the face.

Other than that :
- his left elbow out to stand out more - it currently feels that this side of the picture is a little flattened perspective-wise.
- you still have the same contrast problem that has been pointed with the Great Troll. If you take a look at the paintover below, all I did was to fiddle with the levels. Pushing the black point up to 10 adds depth to the shadows, while pulling the white one down to 240 adds luminosity. Notice how next to the modified version, yours seems veiled by a thin layer of grey dust.

* Thrawn's absolutely right about the hand, do use reference or if lacking any, your own hand in a mirror
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by StDrake » August 31st, 2009, 7:09 am

small detail, just posting to make sure you don't miss it: one of the books borderlines gets off the book and crosses the thumb, probably a leftover from when the thumb wasnt there
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by Stilgar » September 1st, 2009, 6:57 pm

I thought that line was for his thumbnail.

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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by melinath » September 1st, 2009, 7:29 pm

Perhaps it's meant to be... but if it is, then the perspective on it seems wrong. The thumbnail would be pointing more to our right, and we'd see part of the thumb beside it.

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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by lostnumber » September 1st, 2009, 10:41 pm

LordBobs recolor is a massive improvement.

From a non-artists perspective I think it looks quite good once the "covered in dust" effect is gone. Although I also notice the odd line on his thumb.

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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by Sapient » September 2nd, 2009, 4:51 am

Hey, it's looking great; especially after that color adjustment.

Also -- you might get more comments if you updated the title of your thread *hint, hint*
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Re: JustinOperables Portraits- Great Troll

Post by kitty » September 2nd, 2009, 9:42 am

Good to see you really continueing on this project!

You've already got a lot of comments thus I'll just add few techincal points:

* The folds of his robe and hood look random. Did you use a reference for them? Making up realistic folds is really hard... And the cloth is verry shiny - is that on purpose? Or do you plan to soften that in the process? And of course I'd like to see some of the official red mages ornamentation on his robe to make him clearly part of that order.
* Apart from the already risen angle of the book/hands issue the upper hand is too flat and the thumb is missing a digit.
* Thrawn already said that the beard looks glued on - this is due to the lighter outline around it and to the missing transition to the skin. Beards don't start suddenly, there is a transitional area. The lower lip also seems exteremely fleshy which makes him appear a bit as if he was sulking.
* And it seems as if he was floating or as if his bottom was sticking out a lot.

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What's the state of the Wose portrait?

Post by esr » October 27th, 2009, 4:26 pm

What's the state of the Wose portrait? DM could stiill use it.

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