Desert Elves

[scienceguy8]

Lose the standard. I always hated that thing. It is completely impractical to haul that thing into battle and to fight effectively. Either strap it to his back like the regular Elvish Captain or forget it. Personally I would go with the round shield.

[DSollick]

That big thing is called a standard?

I never knew what the heck it was. I just thought it looked cool

I agree with ScienceGuy with the fact that he probably shouldn't be randomly holding that huge thing, unless it goes somewhere, like strapped to the back.

If you do keep it, it needs some more shading -- it looks to solid and unrealistic.

Great work on these, by the way!

[Aethaeryn]

Maybe he holds the standard up while doing leadership, as opposed to the already-done-a-billion-times-before raising of the sword? Then it's on his back most of the time.

[Federalist marshal]

Indeed, it does seem a bit inconvenient for the Captain to be carrying that large banner around. But I really don't know any other way for him to be significantly different from the fighter.

Also, Mist requested that I move the banner from his back to his hand.

[Mist]

Well, there is more than one way to draw a banner. The banner might be attached to the side of the pole, it might also consist of a few long and thin stripes of cloth, the banner might be triangular. I did not request the same banner as orc soveregin has Play a bit with that, it might not be easy to draw, but drawing a different banner will be much easier than doing an animation in which the banner is unstraped from his back and waved. And I still think that having him hold it in hand will look better than having him strap it to the back.

[turin]

Shouldn't the banner be, you know, colorful, rather than the same tan color their clothing is?

[Federalist marshal]

New banner; I used the Marshal/Captain's banner as a reference and played with it a bit. The bottom part is still that of the sovereign's banner, though.

[thespaceinvader]

That looks much better. something's a bit up with his arm, though. To fix it, i'd bring the foot of the banner down and out to the left by about 2-3 pixels each, move his hand down a bit, and make sure that he has an upper arm - currently it looks like his arm sprouts from about ab level, and begins at the elbow.

The banner's great, though. I hope it's possible to make a decent set of animations that don't look as awkward as the Sovereign's.

[Boucman]

there is a problem with the arm, you don't hold a banner that way, it's tiring... you usually have your arm partly folded...

apart from that it looks great

[Federalist marshal]

Rough version of Captain's attack frame. Evidently needs some work. I'm pondering whether I should even keep the banner in the attack frames.

[thespaceinvader]

My suggestion, as i said earlier, would be to make a small animation of him dropping the banner and (depending on attack type) holding the sword two-handed, or drawing his bow. Then use those frames (either removing the banner entirely or possible keeping it as a separate image) as a basis for the animation. MIght be rather more difficult to do, though.

[megane]

You can do the banner as a halo during his melee frames, so he would stick it in the ground and leave it behind to go stab them.

[thespaceinvader]

Except for the minor issue that Halos can't be TC'd...

[Boucman]

I have to look at TC handling in sub-frames, it will work eventually, but doesn't in 1.4

[Federalist marshal]

My suggestion, as i said earlier, would be to make a small animation of him dropping the banner and (depending on attack type) holding the sword two-handed, or drawing his bow. Then use those frames (either removing the banner entirely or possible keeping it as a separate image) as a basis for the animation. MIght be rather more difficult to do, though.

Has something to that effect been done before?