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Need Some Creative Minds

Post by LordAwsomeness » June 8th, 2018, 12:11 am

Greetings! I am currently working on a scenario that is a dungeon crawler (LordAwsomeness Dungeon Master) where 4 heroes are pitted up against 1 player who is the dungeon master. Currently I am making changes to the initial hero creation by adding more meaningful choices according to what options you select during the beginning of the process. However I have come to a point where I need some creative minds to help me further the character development. In this spoiler section below, you will find my future plans and if you choose to look, I would greatly appreciate some insight and new ideas.
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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by Can-ned_Food » June 9th, 2018, 2:40 am

What is the theme of your setting? Dungeon Master?

Anyways … I seriously could produce with 7 different worlds of 6 bloodlines each — vis à vis 42 distinct bloodlines. How would you like me to filter them?

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by Seijo-ki » June 16th, 2018, 8:26 am

Just out of my head, I have some ideas for the bloodlines (I don't give them names though):

War/Warlust - Having more attack, but a less effective defense
Blood - Having steadfast(gaining max life points after killing) and regeneration, but having less life points to begin with, less defenses against arcane and fire, and less movement points.
Guardian - Having better defenses, but less movement points and bad against piercing weaponry, as well as cold.

(keep in mind that these are only suggestions, you can use them and change them as you wish)

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by Zhou » June 18th, 2018, 12:37 pm

How different are these bloodlines (Pantheons?) supposed to be? Just minor bonuses/penalties to some stats (like e.g. the different civs in the Civilization games) or actual different unit that all use the same underlying mechanics (like different classes in RPGs)? You could go even crazier and have different mechanics for all of them (like a lot of RTS games e.g. Starcraft/Warcraft 3 etc. have with their races). How far do you wanna go?
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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by LordAwsomeness » July 26th, 2018, 7:19 pm

Can-ned_Food wrote:
June 9th, 2018, 2:40 am
What is the theme of your setting? Dungeon Master?

Anyways … I seriously could produce with 7 different worlds of 6 bloodlines each — vis à vis 42 distinct bloodlines. How would you like me to filter them?
Wow I did not receive a notification for this. But anything that could be attributed to giving buffs for the heroes would be nice :)
- Been playing Wesnoth since 2004 and the 1.0.x versions.
- Creator of Undead Invasion MP Scenario Pack.
- Creator of Valeria MP Adventure

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by LordAwsomeness » July 26th, 2018, 7:21 pm

Seijo-ki wrote:
June 16th, 2018, 8:26 am
Just out of my head, I have some ideas for the bloodlines (I don't give them names though):

War/Warlust - Having more attack, but a less effective defense
Blood - Having steadfast(gaining max life points after killing) and regeneration, but having less life points to begin with, less defenses against arcane and fire, and less movement points.
Guardian - Having better defenses, but less movement points and bad against piercing weaponry, as well as cold.

(keep in mind that these are only suggestions, you can use them and change them as you wish)
very very interesting ideas! I have not actually decided how much of an impact I want these bloodlines to have on the gameplay because I am still deciding if I want to still hold different classes as well. the current system uses classes but I am struggling with deciding if I want to take them out since all they truly do at the moment is allow characters to basically select the weapons they start with :/
- Been playing Wesnoth since 2004 and the 1.0.x versions.
- Creator of Undead Invasion MP Scenario Pack.
- Creator of Valeria MP Adventure

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by LordAwsomeness » July 26th, 2018, 7:24 pm

Zhou wrote:
June 18th, 2018, 12:37 pm
How different are these bloodlines (Pantheons?) supposed to be? Just minor bonuses/penalties to some stats (like e.g. the different civs in the Civilization games) or actual different unit that all use the same underlying mechanics (like different classes in RPGs)? You could go even crazier and have different mechanics for all of them (like a lot of RTS games e.g. Starcraft/Warcraft 3 etc. have with their races). How far do you wanna go?
I think I am aiming for just minor changes in penalties and such. it is much harder to balance major changes so that one option is not way overpowered
- Been playing Wesnoth since 2004 and the 1.0.x versions.
- Creator of Undead Invasion MP Scenario Pack.
- Creator of Valeria MP Adventure

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by Can-ned_Food » July 28th, 2018, 7:06 pm

You know that you can quote multiple answers in a single reply. :eng: Below the full message editor is a history of the thread; there, you can click the “quote” icon to insert a quote at the location of the cursor.

Anyways, on to my suggestions.
Know that these are flexible, and that I don't know much about how well the lists of specialities will fit in your dungeon. For one thing, all these expect that the characters are of the same race and have no other initial traits aside from small variations of health points, movement points, and attack damages.
To make these more diverse, not all of them have a strict formula of bonuses and debuffs.

An easy one …
  • Spirit of Earth
    +15% resist impact
    improved movement and defense on mountain, hill, and cavern tiles
    petrification: +10 heal, petrified for 1 turn
  • Spirit of Water
    +15% resist blade
    improved movement and defense on shallow water and on deep water tiles
    skirmisher variation: can pass through all enemies rather than around
  • Spirit of Heaven
    +10% resist arcane
    either:
    • certain impassable tiles, such as walls — not _off^_usr and such, — have movement cost set to half full movement
    • teleport to any tile in range of half full movement
    vision through — over, as it were — certain impassable tiles, such as walls
  • Spirit of Ice
    +20% resist cold
    -5% resist fire
    cold melee attack
  • Spirit of Air
    +15% resist pierce
    +5% resist blade
    improved defense on all tiles
    flight over unwalkable tiles
  • Spirit of Plasma
    +20% resist fire
    -5% resist cold
    fire melee attack
Please, don't say ‘animagi’ …
This scheme is the only one which also gives a detriment to each class.
Many of the abilities were prescribed to duplicate weapons possessed by the hero. This can, of course, be changed to attacks which are always available, or which replace or supercede any possible weapon in that class — e.g. melee blade.
  • Hog Totem
    perseverance: unfazed by Slow
    berserk
    -10% resist pierce
  • Crocodile Totem
    thrash: halve enemy strikes when attacking
    improved movement and defense on shallow water and on deep water tiles
    poor defender: strikes halved when defending against melee
  • Elephant Totem
    gore: if possessing a melee pierce weapon, duplicates that in a new attack which does 250%-1
    stomp: halve enemy melee strikes when defending
    trump: halve enemy ranged damage when attacking or defending
    -10% resist fire and cold
  • Falcon Totem
    escape: ends round of attack–counterattack if its health drops below 30%; does not apply if it attacks or defends when already less than that amount.
    vision farther than others and farther than its movement
    flight over unwalkable tiles
    least hitpoints of all Totems
  • Lion Totem
    daunt: first strike on all attacks
    ambush on grass tiles
    solitary hunter: damages are reduced by 40% if any ally is adjacent — like leadership in reverse.
  • Shark Totem
    rip: duplicates all melee blade attacks to a copy which:
    • only available during attack
    • does 1 strike
    • cancels any counterattack
    lorenzini: can sense enemies nearby and through walls, though only able to determine position and lvl of the enemy
    improved movement and defense on shallow water and on deep water tiles
    restless: no healing while stationary and unmolested by enemies
All the colors of the rainbow …
The colors here are, of course, cosmetic and thematic. You can easily make these simple Knight, Mage, Prince, et c.
  • Knight in Red
    stun
    something like steadfast
  • Mage in Orange
    ranged duplicate for every pierce, blade, and impact attack; ice for pierce, fire for blade, arcane for impact.
    healing and curing
  • Prince in Yellow
    clever: on attack, reduce defense of enemies by -10%
    leadership: +24% per level below, +12% for same level
  • Barbarian in Green
    attacks=2
    first strike
  • Rogue in Blue
    backstab
    ambush
  • Warlock in Violet
    summon minion for 1 turn; 1 turn cooldown
    dispel health: [heals]value=-N on enemies
Ancestor worship? …
  • Heir from Gergandon
    charge
    cautious: halve damages of self and enemy during defense
  • Heir from Telopeli
    plague of Ghosts — slain enemies become new lvl0 Ghosts with [variation] for all the undead_variation= types
    arcane melee
  • Heir from Ihcvens
    daze: every strike which hits reduces enemy's strikes by 1 for that round of combat
    reciprocation: enemies receive half damage for every strike of theirs which hits
  • Heir from Apdodumf
    tenacious: own defense increased to equal enemy defense during attack
    skirmisher
  • Heir from Yssthul
    intimidate: enemies of lower lvl attack with half strikes and defend with half damage
    accuracy: halves enemy defense during attack — maybe defense also
  • Heir from Riknowanz
    50% more gold earned
    25% less healing received

So … there you have four. Perhaps I will give three others if you want.

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by imlawli » August 11th, 2018, 7:50 am

LordAwsomeness wrote:
July 26th, 2018, 7:21 pm
Seijo-ki wrote:
June 16th, 2018, 8:26 am
Just out of my head, I have some ideas for the bloodlines (I don't give them names though):

War/Warlust - Having more attack, but a less effective defense
Blood - Having steadfast(gaining max life points after killing) and regeneration, but having less life points to begin with, less defenses against arcane and fire, and less movement points.
Guardian - Having better defenses, but less movement points and bad against piercing weaponry, as well as cold.

(keep in mind that these are only suggestions, you can use them and change them as you wish)
very very interesting ideas! I have not actually decided how much of an impact I want these bloodlines to have on the gameplay because I am still deciding if I want to still hold different classes as well. the current system uses classes but I am struggling with deciding if I want to take them out since all they truly do at the moment is allow characters to basically select the weapons they start with :/

I still think even if you implement a bloodline mechanic to your scenario you should keep classes, would make for more interesting interaction etc. Take having a "summoner" class with something like a "royal" bloodline meaning that your summons end up having higher base stats than those of another "summoner' with a different bloodline.

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Re: Need Some Creative Minds

Post by Can-ned_Food » August 13th, 2018, 3:19 am

LordAwsomeness wrote:
July 26th, 2018, 7:24 pm
Zhou wrote:
June 18th, 2018, 12:37 pm
How different are these bloodlines (Pantheons?) supposed to be? Just minor bonuses/penalties to some stats (like e.g. the different civs in the Civilization games) or actual different unit that all use the same underlying mechanics (like different classes in RPGs)? You could go even crazier and have different mechanics for all of them (like a lot of RTS games e.g. Starcraft/Warcraft 3 etc. have with their races). How far do you wanna go?
I think I am aiming for just minor changes in penalties and such. it is much harder to balance major changes so that one option is not way overpowered
I was thinking about this recently. Of course, most of my suggestions were rather more drastic that I suspect you would've wanted. Three of them are more like classes: paradigmic simplifications of skills and training.

Going off from what Imlawli said in the previous post, it seems like you want your bloodlines to be little more than traits. Agility, health and constitution, cleverness.
I never did ask, but I am unclear as to what exactly you mean by “debuffs”. What does your MP campaign have which functions as buffs?

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