Genesis 0.2.12 [1.14/1.15] [Ep 1 complete]

[sreesreearul]

Error with 0.1.4. The newer scenarios are not loading with the error message that illegal tile in map (Uzw) 'Uzw' the map cannot be loaded. But I managed to load save from 1.12 in 1.13 and proceed to the next scenario.

[nemaara]

Error with 0.1.4. The newer scenarios are not loading with the error message that illegal tile in map (Uzw) 'Uzw' the map cannot be loaded. But I managed to load save from 1.12 in 1.13 and proceed to the next scenario.

Do you have the latest version of Genesis Resources on 1.12? That's required for the 'Uzw' terrain to work. But anyway, as long as you don't mind playing on 1.13, there should be no problem.

[catagent101]

I found the problem. At line 6 in the file terrain3.cfg, in Genesis Resources, the wasteland terrain is defined as "Zw", not "Uzw". After I changed it, the problem was fixed.
EDIT: Also done on line 7 in _final.cfg in Genesis Resources, which caused the graphics for the terrain not to load.
EDIT 2: A reinstall (of Genesis Resources) fixed the problem after I reverted it back to how it was, despite mine being up to date. Weird.

[sreesreearul]

Do you have the latest version of Genesis Resources on 1.12? That's required for the 'Uzw' terrain to work. But anyway, as long as you don't mind playing on 1.13, there should be no problem.

Yup that was the problem. I hadn't updated gns_resources for a while. Updating to the latest version solved the problem. Since the error was with maps, it didn't occur to me that it can potentially arise outdated resources. Maps always come bundled with scenarios? Don't they? Or do you have some customised macros or tiles which are in resources and used in maps?

Is it intended that one can complete Twilight without solving any puzzle? One may smash down each gate and proceed to the location which will trigger the victory condition irrespective of any events 're puzzles. I managed to do that while testing out if updating resources fixed the bug.

The lore is getting thicker and rich. Loved the way it is evolving, even though some or most of it were expected and not .

Spoiler:

Merthiaal revealing her plots and the illusory angel turning out to be Luna could have waited a bit though. I got very convinced reading the ideas planted by Merthiaal that it is Valdir who is behind everything even though he appeared to lack a greater reason, winning over Shardia is not good enough if you ask me. Also I had a feeling that Merthiaal is/was Luna and the previous guardian of darkness or Yarae himself imposed the burden of being the guardian of Darkness on Luna. It made perfect sense to me because of conversations between Merthiaal and Yumi that they are similar and such. The illusionary angel just appeared as a construct of Valdir or Yarae or some greater forces trying to corrupt/destroy the worlds. I would have been in for a drastic surprise like Xi'ael will be if these things got revealed only in the final or penultimate scenario. Now almost all the pieces are together I suppose.
Luna is a fae, isn't she?
I hope Esther doesn’t get captured, it wouldn't be fun to see her get turned/corrupted.

[nemaara]

Or do you have some customised macros or tiles which are in resources and used in maps?

Is it intended that one can complete Twilight without solving any puzzle? One may smash down each gate and proceed to the location which will trigger the victory condition irrespective of any events 're puzzles. I managed to do that while testing out if updating resources fixed the bug.

Spoiler:

Merthiaal revealing her plots and the illusory angel turning out to be Luna could have waited a bit though. I got very convinced reading the ideas planted by Merthiaal that it is Valdir who is behind everything even though he appeared to lack a greater reason, winning over Shardia is not good enough if you ask me. Also I had a feeling that Merthiaal is/was Luna and the previous guardian of darkness or Yarae himself imposed the burden of being the guardian of Darkness on Luna. It made perfect sense to me because of conversations between Merthiaal and Yumi that they are similar and such. The illusionary angel just appeared as a construct of Valdir or Yarae or some greater forces trying to corrupt/destroy the worlds. I would have been in for a drastic surprise like Xi'ael will be if these things got revealed only in the final or penultimate scenario. Now almost all the pieces are together I suppose.
Luna is a fae, isn't she?
I hope Esther doesn’t get captured, it wouldn't be fun to see her get turned/corrupted.

That's exactly the problem, I use some terrains from After the Storm and Archaic Resources.

For Twilight Vision:

Spoiler:

Yes, you can just skip the puzzles by smashing the gates. I made it this way in case anyone didn't care about the lore or if you happen to be playing the scenario through a second time, there is no need to do the puzzles since you've already read the lore. And also kinda for my own debugging purposes.

About your theories, keep in mind that this is only Genesis I. There will be 2 more campaigns (hopefully, if I don't give up! ) that will cover a lot of stuff. (Yes, I've gotten sucked into shadowm's crazy history and am paying the price for it by having to write long campaigns, haha). I suppose I could say a few things about that...

Spoiler:

Yes, Merthiaal reveals herself to us, but remember that none of the characters is even aware of her plans yet. You are correct that she is similar to Yumi, so there will be more to Merthiaalthan just her plots. I've only just barely introduced Valdir, there's time to develop him and Shardia in Genesis II (actually, Genesis II will develop Uria, Shardia, Valdir, and Yarae). Luna isn't a fae, she's the daughter of a demon lord. However, your hunch that she's somehow linked to fae isn't entirely wrong.

In terms of the overarching scheme, there's still a lot more lore to cover, so Merthiaal is definitely the least of the surprises, especially if you remember the lore from After the Storm. For instance, I still haven't explained what fae are yet (that's coming in S21), and why exactly they can be so important.
We also still know nothing about Yarae, except from what has been said in legends, but remember that legends are often not 100% correct.

There's a lot to explore.

[Konrad2]

The terrain problems I've encountered on 1.13.11 so far are not visual. Yumi can't move over Mushroom Groves or Terrain that combines hill with forest.

[nemaara]

The terrain problems I've encountered on 1.13.11 so far are not visual. Yumi can't move over Mushroom Groves or Terrain that combines hill with forest.

Hmm, that sounds like an engine bug to me. However, just in case it's not, can you please give me a save where you noticed the error occurring? Also, have you tried closing Wesnoth and reloading? It's possible that that could solve your problem.

[Pentarctagon]

Sounds like this bug, maybe?

[Konrad2]

@nemaara
That did not occure to me. But it helped. xD

@Pentarctagon
Seems to be it.

[Rhylla]

For Twilight Vision,

Spoiler:

it might be a good idea not to make the gates killable. I didn't realize what they were so I killed them all before reading anything, found Merthiaal, and proceeded to be extremely confused about all the stuff they were saying about Valdir. I think it's fair to not force people to read Luna's entries or the other things Merthiaal was saying, but if one skips the puzzles they're gonna be like me: extremely confused

Also, what are the bonuses on the map in Royal Palace? I found the gold and read the glyphs but I was expecting more like a character bonus or something. Do the glyphs need to be activated in a certain way or something? What am I missing?

Thanks!

[Elder2]

Royal Palace - the nightmare of bonus hunters XDD

Well, I could give you a hint

Spoiler:

Or 2 perhaps? It is not anything with glyphs and it is a character bonus for Aryel

[sreesreearul]

There will be 2 more campaigns (hopefully, if I don't give up! ) that will cover a lot of stuff. (Yes, I've gotten sucked into shadowm's crazy history and am paying the price for it by having to write long campaigns, haha). I suppose I could say a few things about that...

Spoiler:

We also still know nothing about Yarae, except from what has been said in legends, but remember that legends are often not 100% correct.

There's a lot to explore.

Maybe, in case you get bored making scenarios you could write the lore and lore alone, and let us (or I) read it. It pinches, to leave a story half way through once you are hooked .

Spoiler:

I played ATS twice, but yet do not remember them-the details. I personally never liked Yarae, one of the things I liked about Dugi's canon-LoTI is that you get to kill Yarae, and kill him good

[nemaara]

For Twilight Vision,

Spoiler:

it might be a good idea not to make the gates killable. I didn't realize what they were so I killed them all before reading anything, found Merthiaal, and proceeded to be extremely confused about all the stuff they were saying about Valdir. I think it's fair to not force people to read Luna's entries or the other things Merthiaal was saying, but if one skips the puzzles they're gonna be like me: extremely confused

Also, what are the bonuses on the map in Royal Palace? I found the gold and read the glyphs but I was expecting more like a character bonus or something. Do the glyphs need to be activated in a certain way or something? What am I missing?

Thanks!

Spoiler:

I can be more clear about the gates in the objectives. As ElderofZion said, there is one more bonus to be found in Royal Palace for Aryel. Look for some special terrain, and remember to explore all areas (I didn't just draw a garden for no reason... ).

Maybe, in case you get bored making scenarios you could write the lore and lore alone, and let us (or I) read it. It pinches, to leave a story half way through once you are hooked .

Spoiler:

I played ATS twice, but yet do not remember them-the details. I personally never liked Yarae, one of the things I liked about Dugi's canon-LoTI is that you get to kill Yarae, and kill him good

While Genesis is very much up to me to write a lot of the story, I'm still following shadowm's major lore points as a guideline to make it fit with the entire canon. In other words, a timeline of major events for the rest of Genesis is already done (I actually already have a file containing a lot of information for the rest of the events of Genesis). The details, however, are mine to flesh out.

It would be possible for me to release that file (after some pruning and cleaning up, and probably a lot of revision) if I ever do become inactive, buuut that would be kind of lame.

I'll try to stay reasonably active until Genesis is complete. (No promises, though, it's a big project that I'm doing for free, after all :s).

[Konrad2]

Esther kinda got reset after the scenario 'Blue Moon'.

Gns-1-Northlands-Auto-Save1.gz

Weak nameless Esther :(

(41.8 KiB) Downloaded 212 times

And she can't even level up.

[nemaara]

Esther kinda got reset after the scenario 'Blue Moon'.
Gns-1-Northlands-Auto-Save1.gz

And she can't even level up.

That's.... reaaally weird. I'll look into it, but I need some information. Please give me the following:

A save from "Blue Moon".
The start of scenario saves for "Blue Moon" and "Northlands".