The White Troll (1.1.0) - 1.16 Campaign

[nuorc]

Use your imagination

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the "show_turn_counter" command shows the overall amount of turns.

ok. I believe I played campaigns where the x/y counter changed when objectives changed.

[Crow_T]

I'm enjoying this campaign, I like the character development so far, as in they have good personalities To me the dialogue has been decent, I'm a native English speaker.

Spoiler:

Mystic Pond, easy level, 1.10.6
I think maybe this is too easy on easy? I only summoned a couple of ants and stone guys but basically used only my heroes for the bulk of it. Also, when the poacher guy appears from the house he just disappears, it'd be nice to have him run off instead. its a very nice looking map though, well done there. Also for some reason I didn't catch that I needed to summon x amount of beasts, and ended up just doing it all at the clearing- if it were harder I would have summoned a lot more.

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[nuorc]

I'm at The Outpost again. I noticed two things at the opening dialogue:

1. There's a lot of talk about the fallen bridge while it is still in sight; could you maybe remove it simultaneously to the earthquake?

2. One elve talks about 'chopping down some wood' which to me seems somewhat unelvish...


If you'd like me to stop nitpicking just let me know.

[zepko]

ok. I believe I played campaigns where the x/y counter changed when objectives changed.

The number in the objectives changes, when you pass turns the counter is updated automatically. It's true however that there are campaigns where, for instance, the objective is "Resist for 25 turns" and the turn limit is set to 25. Then something happens and turn limit is increased. In this scenario I think it's somehow clear what to expect for the ending, given the presence of the 3 elves building the bridge (and to build the bridge you need some wood ), so one might expect an objective change and you already know how many turns you have to do next actions.

1. There's a lot of talk about the fallen bridge while it is still in sight; could you maybe remove it simultaneously to the earthquake?

I've noticed that too, but the problem here is that the event changing the terrain is the same with the earthquake and all the dialogues, so the game somehow performs the tasks in its own order. I wouldn't really know how to solve. Maybe 2 different events? I should give it a try...

If you'd like me to stop nitpicking just let me know.

Don't worry, comments are welcome!

I'm enjoying this campaign, I like the character development so far, as in they have good personalities To me the dialogue has been decent, I'm a native English speaker.

Good to know, thanks!

Mystic Pond, easy level, 1.10.6 ...

That scenario has been a bit difficult to balance. We have already reduced the number of creatures to summon since a previous version (the objective here is that you familiarize with summoning and get to know the various creatures, hence the need to summon in the objectives), but there is always the risk that a player finishes with too few or too many mana points, affecting the following scenarios. Also that guy entered the balancing issues, then I decided to use him only to make the scenario less flat and introduce some variations.

[nuorc]

In this scenario I think it's somehow clear what to expect for the ending, ..., so one might expect an objective change and you already know how many turns you have to do next actions.

Yeah, [alt+s] also tells me a lot. I'm again working on that (on easy). Last time I killed leader1 and suddenly found myself in a very uncomfortable position featuring a bunch of lvl2 horsies. 3 loyal units far off still practicing their wood chopping skills. Leaving the leader alive didn't change that... That's soo against my D&D nature!

Maybe 2 different events?

I guess first changing the map and then have the other event shouldn't be too difficult. But I very well might be totally wrong.

[Edit] Clash in the forest: I don't have a recall list?

[Crow_T]

I really like this campaign so far, to me the maps really give a sense of place, and it feels very well done. One gripe:

Spoiler:

In Clash in the Forest you can't recall troops with the elvish lord. I had 2 rangers and a druid from the previous stand off scenario that'd be fun to have right now, plus it was very hard to keep them alive!

[nuorc]

One gripe:

Spoiler:

In Clash in the Forest you can't recall troops with the elvish lord. I had 2 rangers and a druid from the previous stand off scenario that'd be fun to have right now, plus it was very hard to keep them alive!

I can relate.

Spoiler:

+1 loyal Fighter.

Maybe I missed it: was there a reason in the story that I can't recall?

Edit: the replay's invalid.

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YAE: The Lost replay shows the same WML error message but plays fine. I'm not sure if I received the Bonus or the even bigger Bonus. And I'm afraid all the work I put in the loyal Trolls might have been pointless...

[zepko]

In Clash in the Forest you can't recall troops with the elvish lord.

Maybe I missed it: was there a reason in the story that I can't recall?

Sure there is! Lord Denvan is pitiless and has slaughtered your whole army!
But...

Spoiler:

as the note in the objective says: "Try to move as many units as possible to the tent before Lord Galagor, because they will become available for recall in next scenarios."

However, you two are not the first who didn't notice it, so it might be worth to put it in a message as soon as the objective changes... I'm afraid you'll have to replay the scenario to have your veterans back. Or

Spoiler:

just recreate them in debug mode. Just don't create too many of them!

The Lost replay shows the same WML error message but plays fine. I'm not sure if I received the Bonus or the even bigger Bonus. And I'm afraid all the work I put in the loyal Trolls might have been pointless...

All my replays have that error as well, but they are all perfectly playable. I have no idea of the origin of that message, all I know is that it appears with replays from all campaigns, including mainline ones.
About the bonuses, you receive them if you do as said in the objective. But bonuses are not in gold.

Spoiler:

The smaller bonus are 1 Troll + 2 Troll Whelps, available at the death of the Troll leader. The bigger bonus adds to this the possibility for Brandir to recall Troll Whelps and it turns to your side all remaining alive trolls (if any).

[nuorc]

However, you two are not the first who didn't notice it, so it might be worth to put it in a message as soon as the objective changes...

As you mentioned it, I faintly remembered it. My goof.

I didn't know the wml error before, but if you say so... Maybe someone tech savvy around could check if that is reported? The Outpost replay actually works, the error message and the missing replay controls (due to the dialog) threw me off there.

I received the visible part of the bonus in Lost, so I guess everything's fine.

Spoiler:

With so many of my units around I just oversaw the three silent bonus units, especially since the scenario was basically over.

[Crow_T]

I have a feature request: Double this campaign in size I feel like this could keep going quite far- to me its like AOI, its just getting started then it ends.

[Elvish_Hunter]

I just uploaded version 1.0.2 of this campaign to the 1.11 add-ons server. As usual, I leave to zepko the task of backporting the changes to the 1.10 series. Anyway, these are minor changes:three dialogue corrections and the removal of some unused images.

I have a feature request: Double this campaign in size I feel like this could keep going quite far- to me its like AOI, its just getting started then it ends.

Well, if anyone wants to write a sequel, that's fine for us. Believe me or not, but the original plan called for a 7-scenarios campaign, instead of the actual 8...

[zepko]

Ready. Version 1.0.2 is now available on the 1.10 server.

[Crow_T]

Well, if anyone wants to write a sequel, that's fine for us. Believe me or not, but the original plan called for a 7-scenarios campaign, instead of the actual 8...

OK, I write it and you code it?

[lynx]

So far so good.

Spoiler:

But Outpost really annoyed me now! It was just about the right amount of difficult (on normal) and so I managed to kill the first human faction without too many losses. I stormed the castle and killed their boss. Then his boss showed up, but luckily I had my troops nearby and the leader hasn't moved yet, so I just stormed his castle too and recruited some more elves (can't recruit now, eh ).

It was just a matter of slowly killing the puny general, BUT for some reason he is not hittable at all! A very silly and unexplained plot device, I guess.

[zepko]

OK, I write it and you code it?

Why instead don't you code it and we play it??

So far so good.

Spoiler:

But Outpost really annoyed me now! It was just about the right amount of difficult (on normal) and so I managed to kill the first human faction without too many losses. I stormed the castle and killed their boss. Then his boss showed up, but luckily I had my troops nearby and the leader hasn't moved yet, so I just stormed his castle too and recruited some more elves (can't recruit now, eh ).

It was just a matter of slowly killing the puny general, BUT for some reason he is not hittable at all! A very silly and unexplained plot device, I guess.

Spoiler:

Believe me or not, I don't like that we put an enemy that can't be killed as well. But, as you may have noticed, he is the main villain of the campaign and his presence is needed in the following scenarios. For this reason we found no better option than making him unhittable. However, the objectives are rather clear, your task is not to "Defeat all enemy leaders", but to hold on until the end of turns.