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Would you like the Skeletal Dragon sprite in LotI changed to mainline Skeletal Dragon sprite?

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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby matsjoyce » May 25th, 2017, 7:14 am

Bug tracker is at https://github.com/Dugy/Legend_of_the_I ... les/issues, also 1.13 support is currently still experimental/work in progress, so check the other bugs first.
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby Dugi » May 25th, 2017, 10:33 am

AlterAl2 wrote:1/ Is there a bugtracker for this campain ? or only this forum ?
Yes, but please use this forum thread.
AlterAl2 wrote:Loading the campain on 1.13.8 (aka 1.14.beta1) via the extension interfaces , load the campain, and then just crashes wesnoth.
Is there something i can do to help fixing this?
If the game crashes, then it's a bug in the game. Try to use the GitHub version instead of the one on the server, it works much better. But there still can be bugs (game crash bugs are hard to foretell).

angrynarwhal wrote:Is the multi-Beelz-summon fix on Github?
I have found an error in the multispawn preventing code. Fixed on github.
angrynarwhal wrote: Pretty easy to milk him for XP whether he can be summoned once or many times.
He is supposed to be greatly beneficial.

#Nerfs
What could be done:
  • half the health gain from murderlust or make its gain difficulty-dependent
  • half the health gain of leech on hard, make it gain 1/10 of damage on easy, 1/15 on normal and 1/20 on hard
  • remove absorb (4) altogether, maybe also absorb (2) to prevent stacking
  • weaken most numeric properties of (almost) all items, since it's clear that enemy power lags behind the power of items

What do you guys say?
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby Paulomat4 » May 25th, 2017, 10:44 am

remove absorb (4) altogether, maybe also absorb (2) to prevent stacking

How is it possible to get absorb (4)? I know the ability is defined but theres no item or amla I know of that gives this.
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby ZIM » May 25th, 2017, 1:08 pm

About the nerfs, I think what should be done is making all item's numeric properties a difficulty dependent value, because from what I have seen, not all of the items affected by that.

Maybe reducing the player's starting gold on most scenarios could work to prevent the player from buying rare gems from the merchant with their gold to craft powerful items.

Oh yeah, about the gold, I think in the scenario when Efraim and Lethalia first met Argan, the village income could be disabled since the scenario doesn't have early finish bonus, some players could decide to wait until the turn number reaches 100 then moves Efraim to win the scenario to gain gold while waiting.
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby Whiskeyjack » May 25th, 2017, 2:59 pm

Paulomat4 wrote:
remove absorb (4) altogether, maybe also absorb (2) to prevent stacking

How is it possible to get absorb (4)? I know the ability is defined but theres no item or amla I know of that gives this.


By combining absorb(1) and absorb(3) on a unit (different values of absorb stack, at least the last time I tried). I'd rather suggest nerfing the remaining options to get absorb(3) (which, I think, are only Dugi's Ward and Duelist Wizard AMLAs) - at least on hard - down to two. Then it is not possible to get more than absorb(3) by combining the remaining two.

Concerning murderlust: Halving the value would make it the same as killhunger of e.g. the Reaper. Not sure what would be a good option here. But changing it in interaction with difficulty sounds better than nothing (I'd suggest 8/7/6 and/or raising the gem prices of the weapon).

Leech: sounds like a good solution -> it still has value for strong hits but very little on many weaker ones, making it more distinct from suck (which is strong on many attacks).
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby matsjoyce » May 25th, 2017, 3:20 pm

@Dugi, I need a fly swatter :augh::
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby nachkar » May 26th, 2017, 12:04 pm

About absorb
(I'd suggest 8/7/6 and/or raising the gem prices of the weapon).


Sounds like really good values, but I'd do both (8/7/6 and slightly raise the price, as it's really cheap right now.)
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby ZIM » May 28th, 2017, 8:50 am

Err, I would like to report a bug, my Efraim have lost all of it advancement and items in scenario "Any Means Necessary".

Also, I would like to say that scenario Bitter Swamp and First Confrontation are too easy, I suggest make the map larger so the protagonist could not catch up to the enemy leader in a few turns and make the enemies recruit's more harder. The scenario Entering the Desert also too easy, I've manage to finish it before the ghost starts spawning from the pit, that makes the dialogue a bit weird, since the unit that move to the pit says "They keep appearing from this pit!" while not any ghost have appeared yet.
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby Dugi » May 28th, 2017, 10:06 am

Paulomat4 wrote:How is it possible to get absorb (4)? I know the ability is defined but theres no item or amla I know of that gives this.
I thought Efraim had an advancement for that.
ZIM wrote:About the nerfs, I think what should be done is making all item's numeric properties a difficulty dependent value, because from what I have seen, not all of the items affected by that.
Most are. The idea was to make them more depend more and make more properties depend on it.
Maybe reducing the player's starting gold on most scenarios could work to prevent the player from buying rare gems from the merchant with their gold to craft powerful items.
If chapter 3 is the case, it's a bug in 1.12 that isn't going to be fixed on 1.12 versions.
By combining absorb(1) and absorb(3) on a unit (different values of absorb stack, at least the last time I tried). I'd rather suggest nerfing the remaining options to get absorb(3) (which, I think, are only Dugi's Ward and Duelist Wizard AMLAs) - at least on hard - down to two. Then it is not possible to get more than absorb(3) by combining the remaining two.
I'll think of it.
Whiskeyjack wrote:Concerning murderlust: Halving the value would make it the same as killhunger of e.g. the Reaper. Not sure what would be a good option here. But changing it in interaction with difficulty sounds better than nothing (I'd suggest 8/7/6 and/or raising the gem prices of the weapon).
Okay.
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ZIM wrote:Err, I would like to report a bug, my Efraim have lost all of it advancement and items in scenario "Any Means Necessary".
Can you please provide a save file?
ZIM wrote:Also, I would like to say that scenario Bitter Swamp and First Confrontation are too easy, I suggest make the map larger so the protagonist could not catch up to the enemy leader in a few turns and make the enemies recruit's more harder.
How about giving them larger castles instead?
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby ZIM » May 29th, 2017, 11:09 am

ZIM wrote:Err, I would like to report a bug, my Efraim have lost all of it advancement and items in scenario "Any Means Necessary".

Nevermind, I have found the cause. The cause is in scenario The Speech. In that scenario Efraim gets killed accidentally. It seems that the kill command supposed to kill the royal guards. I've changed the coordinate to fix it.
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ZIM wrote:Also, I would like to say that scenario Bitter Swamp and First Confrontation are too easy, I suggest make the map larger so the protagonist could not catch up to the enemy leader in a few turns and make the enemies recruit's more harder.
How about giving them larger castles instead?

Ehm, that would suffice, but maybe you could also buff the dragon and the drakes since they're very weak to Lethalia's faerie fire.
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby dabber » June 4th, 2017, 2:30 pm

I don't think Murderlust is that powerful, especially long term. I see the point about it being very useful in the early stages, but that is the only time I consider using that crafted weapon. It also requires the kill, so doesn't work if you get swarmed by several enemies and cannot kill them all (probably because of being slowed).
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby Dugi » June 5th, 2017, 6:17 am

Nevermind, I have found the cause. The cause is in scenario The Speech. In that scenario Efraim gets killed accidentally. It seems that the kill command supposed to kill the royal guards. I've changed the coordinate to fix it.
I have fixed it too. Now it removes Royal Guards, not units on spots that Royal Guards were supposed to occupy. Thanks for having debugged it.

Ehm, that would suffice, but maybe you could also buff the dragon and the drakes since they're very weak to Lethalia's faerie fire.
Enlarged the castles. Messing up with resistances could break plans for many. I don't like mid-scenario plan-breaking surprises.

dabber wrote:I don't think Murderlust is that powerful, especially long term.
Maybe others are using it more efficiently.

EDIT: My laptop broke. I have not lost any data, but doing stuff will be a bit annoying before I buy a replacement.
EDIT #2: I have bought a new one, so things should be okay now.
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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby CROdikan » June 17th, 2017, 2:37 am

Round damage doesn't work, im using latest (GitHub) version... I tried reinstalling the game but i always get same error. Edit: Im using 1.12.6 version of Wesnoth

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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby matsjoyce » June 17th, 2017, 8:15 am

Which version of wesnoth are you using @CROdikan?

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Re: Legend of the Invincibles

Postby Lordlewis » June 17th, 2017, 9:13 am

Is that's 1.13 and above? If it is can some please tell me why that happens to me when I play on 1.13. It maybe because the add-on was out or the fact that the sort of stuff doesn't work as well or in the same way on 1.13(.6). I hope someone can explain to me about why this happens.
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