The Dark Hordes (back from the dead!)

scott · Post by **scott** » July 6th, 2006, 11:26 am

Ryorin wrote:Love the thread's name, I can't seem to ever beat the first scenario, maybe I just suck at it or something. Then again undead aren't my forte.

The first scenario is supposed to be a sandbox to give you some experience. You should be able to end up with one or more units at L2. The campaign originally started with the scenario where you fight your brother.

joshudson · Post by **joshudson** » July 20th, 2006, 10:55 pm

I've been playing around at this one. I am particulary disappointed in one thing: you are given one bat at the beginning as your only scout, but you cannot recruit either ghosts or bats. So, you better keep your bat alive or you have a hard time gathering cities in the next scenario.

toms · Post by **toms** » July 21st, 2006, 5:07 am

wtf are you talking about?? You can recruit ghosts from the first scenario on, and in the second you get the bats with Adepts and corpses.

joshudson · Post by **joshudson** » July 21st, 2006, 6:48 pm

I'm looking at the version on the campaign server right now. No, you can't.

Free · Post by **Free** » July 21st, 2006, 11:10 pm

Joshudson is right. Once you kill the villager though, you get skeletons, but no ghosts.

Wow, I liked this campaign a lot better before.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » July 23rd, 2006, 7:35 pm

Free wrote:Wow, I liked this campaign a lot better before.

Me, too. I'm happy to see it resurrected, but at present it has unfortunately lost a bit of its charm (if that's the right word). In particular, I wish more of the original dialogue had been kept -- "Prepare to die....again".

Also, I've always liked that cave level with which the original version ended. I know Xandra wanted it extensively overhauled, but I would like to see it stay mostly the same -- on the condition, that is, that we get to recruit ghosts starting on the first or second level of the campaign. That cave level is impossiible without wraiths, after all.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » July 23rd, 2006, 9:19 pm

Temuchin Khan wrote:
Free wrote:Wow, I liked this campaign a lot better before.
Me, too. I'm happy to see it resurrected, but at present it has unfortunately lost a bit of its charm (if that's the right word). In particular, I wish more of the original dialogue had been kept -- "Prepare to die....again".

On second thought, this line really wouldn't fit in its original context anymore, given some of the changes that have been made to the campaign. Could it be worked into another level, though?

joshudson · Post by **joshudson** » July 23rd, 2006, 9:51 pm

Temuchin Khan wrote:
Free wrote:Wow, I liked this campaign a lot better before.
Me, too. I'm happy to see it resurrected, but at present it has unfortunately lost a bit of its charm (if that's the right word). In particular, I wish more of the original dialogue had been kept -- "Prepare to die....again".

Also, I've always liked that cave level with which the original version ended. I know Xandra wanted it extensively overhauled, but I would like to see it stay mostly the same -- on the condition, that is, that we get to recruit ghosts starting on the first or second level of the campaign. That cave level is impossiible without wraiths, after all.

Oh come on. I did it without either recruting or recalling anything.

Free · Post by **Free** » July 24th, 2006, 2:01 am

joshudson wrote:
Temuchin Khan wrote: Me, too. I'm happy to see it resurrected, but at present it has unfortunately lost a bit of its charm (if that's the right word). In particular, I wish more of the original dialogue had been kept -- "Prepare to die....again".

Also, I've always liked that cave level with which the original version ended. I know Xandra wanted it extensively overhauled, but I would like to see it stay mostly the same -- on the condition, that is, that we get to recruit ghosts starting on the first or second level of the campaign. That cave level is impossiible without wraiths, after all.
Oh come on. I did it without either recruting or recalling anything.

Don't we all love Dread Liches?

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » July 24th, 2006, 12:33 pm

Free wrote:
joshudson wrote: Oh come on. I did it without either recruting or recalling anything.
Don't we all love Dread Liches? :P

Well, I suppose if you had a Dread Lich....

Free · Post by **Free** » July 24th, 2006, 2:46 pm

Temuchin Khan wrote:
Free wrote: Don't we all love Dread Liches?
Well, I suppose if you had a Dread Lich....

Oh, yeah that's right! He's not an initiate anymore. Just another reason I liked the campaign before a ton better.

Post by **freim** » July 24th, 2006, 6:33 pm

Man, what a bunch of whiners. How about treating this as what it is, a work in progress.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » July 24th, 2006, 7:12 pm

freim wrote:Man, what a bunch of whiners. How about treating this as what it is, a work in progress.

Well, to speak for myself, my intention is not to whine but to try to influence the direction in which it develops. Overall, I'm happy to see this campaign resurrected, and I hope the comments I've made so far do not detract from pjr's desire to see this through.

Indeed, if I've contributed to any dampening of his enthusiasm for the project, I'm sorry. Such was not my intention.

Free · Post by **Free** » July 24th, 2006, 11:18 pm

freim wrote:Man, what a bunch of whiners. How about treating this as what it is, a work in progress.

Free wrote:
Wow, I liked this campaign a lot better before.

Something wrong with that?

Free wrote:
Oh, yeah that's right! He's not an initiate anymore. Just another reason I liked the campaign before a ton better.

Something wrong with that either? I'm just expressing my opinion.

What Free could have wrote:
Ugg! This campaign stinks!!! What is wrong with you people??? It was so much cooler before. Change it back, NOW!!!

Yes, now this could very well be considered whining.

anatelos · Post by **anatelos** » July 30th, 2006, 9:57 am

Nice idea, the occasional additional bat for Gwiti. UtBS introduced Lvl 3 Dread Bats. I'd like to see them here, too.

Gwiti could get an additional dark abilitiy, to oppose illumination and give nightstalking a wider chance Maybe "shade" or "darken" can be useful as an intermediate advance toward Lich.

A similar idea shows up in the Liberty campaign, in a later scenario.

anatelos