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Re: Italian Dunefolk translation

Post by Xalzar » May 10th, 2018, 2:48 pm

skeptical_troll wrote:
May 10th, 2018, 10:45 am
I don't know if something is going on behind the curtains, in which case I'll really grateful if somebody posts updates here when the translation is finalized.
Maybe we should open a new topic about this... :hmm:
Nothing definitive, but we are indeed discussing the matter in the Italian Forum (see expecially last page), but the low activity is lengthening the process. It's probably better to import the discussion in this forum at this point if we want something done. :lol:

If you want, we can compare the possible translations! ;)

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Re: Dunefolk translation

Post by Kylix » May 29th, 2018, 3:15 pm

I was thinking about these translations:

Dune Herbalist = Erborista
Dune Apothecary = Farmacista

Dune Soldier = Soldato
Dune Swordsman = Spadaccino del deserto
Dune Blademaster = Maestro delle lame
Dune Spearguard = Guardiano lanciere
Dune Spearmaster = Maestro della lancia

Dune Burner = Bruciatore
Dune Scorcher = Arrostitore
Dune Firetrooper = Vigile del fuoco

Dune Piercer = Perforatore
Dune Sunderer = Scissore
Dune Cataphract = Catafratto

Dune Rider = Fantino
Dune Raider = Bandito del deserto
Dune Marauder = Predone
Dune Swiftrider = Cavaliere veloce
Dune Windrider = Cavaliere del vento

Dune Rover = Vagabondo
Dune Skirmisher = Schermagliatore
Dune Harrier = Saccheggiatore
Dune Explorer = Esploratore
Dune Ranger = Guardia del deserto

Dune Warmaster = Maestro della guerra

I added "desert" on some units to not confuse them with human ones and I thought the Dunefolk race should be translated as "Popolo del deserto", since I think "Popolo delle dune" doesn't sound good.

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Re: Dunefolk translation

Post by Xalzar » May 29th, 2018, 9:33 pm

Kylix wrote:
May 29th, 2018, 3:15 pm
I was thinking about these translations:
...
I added "desert" on some units to not confuse them with human ones and I thought the Dunefolk race should be translated as "Popolo del deserto", since I think "Popolo delle dune" doesn't sound good.
As you know we were talking in the Italian Forum about this but for the time being yeah, it's better to continue here.

My suggestions put near yours (mine // yours), with commentary on yours:
Lanciafiamme delle Dune // Bruciatore -> yours is possible, I'd prefer mine only because it names its weapon
Infiammatore delle Dune // Arrostitore -> it seems a bit silly pronouncing it
Inceneritore delle Dune/Maestro delle Fiamme/del Fuoco // Vigile del Fuoco -> you know that firefighters are not real fighters and would use anything but fire in their profession? (generally)
Erbalista // Erborista -> I don't mind either, maybe at this point I even prefer yours
Apotecario/Alchimista/Speziale // Farmacista -> many people don't like this translation
Lanciere delle Dune // Perforatore -> too literal
Cavaliere d'Assalto // Scissore -> I don't think it exist in Italian
Catafratto
Razziatore delle Dune // Bandito del Deserto -> I slightly prefer mine, but yours is good
Predone delle Dune
Ramingo delle Dune // Vagabondo -> in my opinion it has a slightly derogative accent into it that I wanted to avoid
Esploratore delle Dune
Ranger delle Dune // Guardia -> I can probably see where you were going with this, and I propose "Custode" ("Ranger" though is valid because is coherent with other units)
Incursore delle Dune // Schermagliatore -> identical to the Fencer
Invasore delle Dune // Saccheggiatore -> as with the one before, I wanted to explain better their role in the Dunefolk army
Soldato delle Dune
Spadaccino delle Dune
Maestro di Spada // Maestro delle Lame -> identical to the Drake Blademaster, and they have different weapons so I want to differentiate
Guardia delle Dune // Guardiano Lanciere -> good, I chose "Guardia" to not repeat the translation of Dwarven Guard
Maestro di Lancia
Maestro di Guerra
Cavalcadune // Fantino -> no, beacuse it indicates the rider of a horse for sport
Cavalcacelere // Cavaliere veloce -> too descriptive
Cavalcavento // Cavaliere del vento -> too boring?

About the "Dune" part, I like "delle Dune" because it's short..."del Deserto" is absolutely valid too though.
Then, as you probably know, the translation "Beduino" was considered for "Dunefolk/Dune". I'm not too fond of it, but it's worth remembering.

Finally: do you think we can talk in Italian here for the next posts? Honest question! :mrgreen:

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Re: Dunefolk translation

Post by Kylix » May 30th, 2018, 6:47 am

Xalzar wrote:
May 29th, 2018, 9:33 pm
Kylix wrote:
May 29th, 2018, 3:15 pm
I was thinking about these translations:
...
I added "desert" on some units to not confuse them with human ones and I thought the Dunefolk race should be translated as "Popolo del deserto", since I think "Popolo delle dune" doesn't sound good.
As you know we were talking in the Italian Forum about this but for the time being yeah, it's better to continue here.

My suggestions put near yours (mine // yours), with commentary on yours:
Lanciafiamme delle Dune // Bruciatore -> yours is possible, I'd prefer mine only because it names its weapon
Infiammatore delle Dune // Arrostitore -> it seems a bit silly pronouncing it
In effetti, non sapevo come tradurlo...[/quote]
Inceneritore delle Dune/Maestro delle Fiamme/del Fuoco // Vigile del Fuoco -> you know that firefighters are not real fighters and would use anything but fire in their profession? (generally)
[/quote]Lo so bene, la traduzione più fedele era quella, e poi è un controsenso che sembra essere fatto apposta :mrgreen: [/quote]
Erbalista // Erborista -> I don't mind either, maybe at this point I even prefer yours
[/quote]'Erbalista' per un italiano suona malissimo, fa tanto WoW, 'Erborista' invece suona meglio, essendo un vocabolo italiano.[/quote]
Apotecario/Alchimista/Speziale // Farmacista -> many people don't like this translation
[/quote]Lo so, fa pensare al titolare della farmacia. Apotecario è un termine di altri tempi, ormai caduto in disuso. Forse è meglio puntare su 'Alchimista'.[/quote]
Lanciere delle Dune // Perforatore -> too literal
Cavaliere d'Assalto // Scissore -> I don't think it exist in Italian
[/quote]To sunder significa scindere/separare. 'Separatore' secondo me suonava male, così ho optato per 'Scissore'.[/quote]
Catafratto
Razziatore delle Dune // Bandito del Deserto -> I slightly prefer mine, but yours is good
Predone delle Dune
Ramingo delle Dune // Vagabondo -> in my opinion it has a slightly derogative accent into it that I wanted to avoid
[/quote]'Ramingo' è terrificante, se non ti piace 'Vagabondo', optiamo per 'Girovago'.
Esploratore delle Dune
Ranger delle Dune // Guardia -> I can probably see where you were going with this, and I propose "Custode" ("Ranger" though is valid because is coherent with other units)
[/quote]Oppure 'Ranger del deserto/delle dune', per non confonderlo col ranger fuorilegge.[/quote]
Incursore delle Dune // Schermagliatore -> identical to the Fencer
[/quote]'Fencer' nella versione italiana è 'Schermitore' (e tra l'altro si scrive schermidore), nessuna unità italiana si chiama in quel modo.[/quote]
Invasore delle Dune // Saccheggiatore -> as with the one before, I wanted to explain better their role in the Dunefolk army
Soldato delle Dune
Spadaccino delle Dune
Maestro di Spada // Maestro delle Lame -> identical to the Drake Blademaster, and they have different weapons so I want to differentiate
[/quote]Però non ha 'drago' nel nome.[/quote]
Guardia delle Dune // Guardiano Lanciere -> good, I chose "Guardia" to not repeat the translation of Dwarven Guard
[/quote]No, quello è 'Dwarvish Thunderer/Thunderguard/Dragonguard', in italiano 'Nano tonante/guardia del tuono/guardia del drago'.[/quote]
Maestro di Lancia
Maestro di Guerra
Cavalcadune // Fantino -> no, beacuse it indicates the rider of a horse for sport
Cavalcacelere // Cavaliere veloce -> too descriptive
Cavalcavento // Cavaliere del vento -> too boring?

About the "Dune" part, I like "delle Dune" because it's short..."del Deserto" is absolutely valid too though.
Then, as you probably know, the translation "Beduino" was considered for "Dunefolk/Dune". I'm not too fond of it, but it's worth remembering.

Finally: do you think we can talk in Italian here for the next posts? Honest question! :mrgreen:

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Re: Dunefolk translation

Post by Xalzar » June 4th, 2018, 10:11 am

Before we advance in the discussion, I want to ask the knowledgeable gentlemen of the forum:

is "Beduino" (="Beduin") a viable translation for the Dunefolk?

Preferences aside, I sincerely don't know if it is ammissible. Studying the term meaning I've come to understand that it's vague enough to not identify a single real population, but maybe there are other problems. The real question maybe is: how much can we take from reality? And how much from present reality?

EDIT:
Other question: how does the Herbalist and Apothecary medicine work? Is it exclusively plant-based? Is there chirurgy? Mineral preparations? Animal extracts?
The answer to these questions could really help the translation.

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Re: Dunefolk translation

Post by Celtic_Minstrel » June 10th, 2018, 4:04 pm

Given the name "herbalist" I'd presume it to be primarily plant-based, but give that they live in the desert, I expect they'll probably use mineral and animal ingredients too. No idea on the chirurgy.

Inasfar as I can understand Italian (I've studied French, Spanish, and Latin, but not Italian), the names proposed by Kylix seem decent.

Regarding the question of Bedouin, I think the problem with that is that it evokes a real group of people. It's an appropriate term for the dunefolk, but using the term might give the impression that Dunefolk are intended to be an accurate in-game representation of Bedouins.
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Re: Dunefolk translation

Post by Xalzar » June 10th, 2018, 5:03 pm

Thank you for your kind response! :D
Celtic_Minstrel wrote:
June 10th, 2018, 4:04 pm
Given the name "herbalist" I'd presume it to be primarily plant-based, but give that they live in the desert, I expect they'll probably use mineral and animal ingredients too. No idea on the chirurgy.
I was asking since there is a proposed translation which suggests a bit of chirurgy too. Maybe it's better to be conservative and reject that proposal then.
Celtic_Minstrel wrote:
June 10th, 2018, 4:04 pm
Inasfar as I can understand Italian (I've studied French, Spanish, and Latin, but not Italian), the names proposed by Kylix seem decent.
True; right now I'm juggling between two forums to find a compromise on the translation though! :lol:
Celtic_Minstrel wrote:
June 10th, 2018, 4:04 pm
Regarding the question of Bedouin, I think the problem with that is that it evokes a real group of people. It's an appropriate term for the dunefolk, but using the term might give the impression that Dunefolk are intended to be an accurate in-game representation of Bedouins.
I agree. In the meantime other people spoke against it in the Italian Forum, so we'll try another path.

I'll update shortly. In the meantime, if anyone else wants to add anything to the matter (translation and/or clarification on unit background) it's welcome to do so. ;)

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