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Re: Android support thread

Postby alep » October 15th, 2014, 11:43 am

Today Google forbidly suspended my app from Google Play.
They just said it violated this policy:

https://support.google.com/googleplay/a ... 6097?hl=en

They didn't told me how or why exactly I violated it, but I suspect that being two BfW apps on the store, they wanted to remove the youngest.
This basically means that the application cannot be downloaded anymore and I won't be able to distribute upgrades (this sadly includes the 1.12 upgrade: I was just waiting the official release to trigger it).
I am really sorry for that, and I have contacted their support through the web form available for contesting the suspension... I hope I will receive good news. :cry:
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Re: Android support thread

Postby caoraivoso3 » October 18th, 2014, 9:10 am

alep wrote:Today Google forbidly suspended my app from Google Play.
They just said it violated this policy:

https://support.google.com/googleplay/a ... 6097?hl=en

They didn't told me how or why exactly I violated it, but I suspect that being two BfW apps on the store, they wanted to remove the youngest.
This basically means that the application cannot be downloaded anymore and I won't be able to distribute upgrades (this sadly includes the 1.12 upgrade: I was just waiting the official release to trigger it).
I am really sorry for that, and I have contacted their support through the web form available for contesting the suspension... I hope I will receive good news. :cry:


Dudr can you help me? I cannot buy the app
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Re: Android support thread

Postby wome » October 18th, 2014, 2:48 pm

Hello alep,

this is indeed bad news. In fact I did not play anything else on my tablet since I found your port a few months ago - I really like it. I followed this thread for quite a while and I highly appreciate all the time you spend to make this a smasher on android. Thank you for this. I really, really hope that you find a way to relaunch the app (maybe under a different name?). Especially since you mention that you already have new version in the starting blocks.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby wrenhal » October 19th, 2014, 11:53 am

This is bad for me as I had purchased from you but recently had to retire my old galaxy tab. I have a replacement, but now I don't have the apk to install. What should I do.

I hope they fix this soon. I mean this is an open source project so there should be no violations.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby wrenhal » October 19th, 2014, 11:55 am

alep wrote:Today Google forbidly suspended my app from Google Play.
They just said it violated this policy:

https://support.google.com/googleplay/a ... 6097?hl=en

They didn't told me how or why exactly I violated it, but I suspect that being two BfW apps on the store, they wanted to remove the youngest.
This basically means that the application cannot be downloaded anymore and I won't be able to distribute upgrades (this sadly includes the 1.12 upgrade: I was just waiting the official release to trigger it).
I am really sorry for that, and I have contacted their support through the web form available for contesting the suspension... I hope I will receive good news. :cry:


Could it have something to do with the fact that you both had the same icon? Once again, it's open source so there is no impersonation going on. Besides, does he even support his version anymore?

Edit:
After reading more, he calls his "The Official Port". I think that is the problem and someone may have reported you for not being " official " while not understanding the whole open source thing. Besides, how can his be official when it is no longer updated ?
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Re: Android support thread

Postby alep » October 20th, 2014, 7:43 am

Ok, bad news: Google is not willing to re-enable my app.
I'm really upset about this... I don't think it's about just the icon (which, by the way, I would have gladly changed if they'd just bothered to ask).
And I don't think it's a open source related matter... it's a Google Policy violation matter, as in their policy they say:

Google wrote:Even if your app description states that your app is an "unofficial" version, the use of the other app's branding, trademarks,
and other content still can violate policy by presenting content that isn’t yours.


...and I clearly cannot prove that I own the game, since I don't. But I am wondering what happens if you apply the same rule to, for example, a chess game app. Could anybode prove he owns chess?
Anyway, they never bothered to contact me or take a real look into the question... I just received automatically generated messages and I feel they just don't want two BfW apps on the store and want no discussion about this.


So.... what next?

I still want to distribute my port, specially to people who supported me by buying the game, but right now I am trying to reorganize, so be patient and keep an eye on this forum and on my website http://www.alessandropira.org/ (and if you bought the app keep Google Play's transaction ID).

Also, after 1.12 is out I will release the 1.10 app for free.

Until a few days ago, I was planning to do it on Google Play (adding new a "BfW legacy" app) but right now I don't want to face another app removal.
So, since I have traffic limitations on my website, I am looking for a place to put the download on.
Can it be hosted on BfW sourceforge space? If anyone is willing to help or has any suggestions about this, please contact me.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby quadpl_03 » October 20th, 2014, 3:41 pm

Have you, by any chance, talked with the Wesnoth devs about removing their outdated Android app from the market? If they aren't going to keep it updated, then it isn't going to be very useful since it won't be compatible with the versions running on PCs. If they were to remove it, Google may allow you to upload your version back on the market.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby johndh » October 20th, 2014, 4:04 pm

alep wrote:...and I clearly cannot prove that I own the game, since I don't.

According to the GPL you kinda do. Every user has the same ownership as any of the developers. :hmm: You explained the licensing to them, right?
It's spelled "definitely", not "definately". "Defiantly" is a different word entirely.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby wrenhal » October 20th, 2014, 4:56 pm

alep wrote:Ok, bad news: Google is not willing to re-enable my app.
I'm really upset about this... I don't think it's about just the icon (which, by the way, I would have gladly changed if they'd just bothered to ask).
And I don't think it's a open source related matter... it's a Google Policy violation matter, as in their policy they say:

Google wrote:Even if your app description states that your app is an "unofficial" version, the use of the other app's branding, trademarks,
and other content still can violate policy by presenting content that isn’t yours.


...and I clearly cannot prove that I own the game, since I don't. But I am wondering what happens if you apply the same rule to, for example, a chess game app. Could anybode prove he owns chess?
Anyway, they never bothered to contact me or take a real look into the question... I just received automatically generated messages and I feel they just don't want two BfW apps on the store and want no discussion about this.


So.... what next?

I still want to distribute my port, specially to people who supported me by buying the game, but right now I am trying to reorganize, so be patient and keep an eye on this forum and on my website http://www.alessandropira.org/ (and if you bought the app keep Google Play's transaction ID).

Also, after 1.12 is out I will release the 1.10 app for free.

Until a few days ago, I was planning to do it on Google Play (adding new a "BfW legacy" app) but right now I don't want to face another app removal.
So, since I have traffic limitations on my website, I am looking for a place to put the download on.
Can it be hosted on BfW sourceforge space? If anyone is willing to help or has any suggestions about this, please contact me.

I think you do have recourse. Especially since his also just a port and no longer maintained. Maybe the bfw devs can make you the official port. I did find the apk on a nook I had shelved so I can play again for now.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby caoraivoso3 » October 20th, 2014, 5:06 pm

Will you release the port for free? I get my tablet and right now my computer is broken so i really wana play my favourite game on my tablet
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Re: Android support thread

Postby AI » October 21st, 2014, 2:58 pm

quadpl_03 wrote:Have you, by any chance, talked with the Wesnoth devs about removing their outdated Android app from the market? If they aren't going to keep it updated, then it isn't going to be very useful since it won't be compatible with the versions running on PCs. If they were to remove it, Google may allow you to upload your version back on the market.

It's not 'ours'. It belongs to a previous porter who has gone missing quite some time ago IIRC.
I've poked some people on IRC and maybe "Wesnoth Inc" (which probably has the best chances of 'representing' the project) may be able to do something about it.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby wrenhal » October 21st, 2014, 4:58 pm

AI wrote:
quadpl_03 wrote:Have you, by any chance, talked with the Wesnoth devs about removing their outdated Android app from the market? If they aren't going to keep it updated, then it isn't going to be very useful since it won't be compatible with the versions running on PCs. If they were to remove it, Google may allow you to upload your version back on the market.

It's not 'ours'. It belongs to a previous porter who has gone missing quite some time ago IIRC.
I've poked some people on IRC and maybe "Wesnoth Inc" (which probably has the best chances of 'representing' the project) may be able to do something about it.

That's great to hear that someone is trying to help Alep out with this problem. Looking forward to hearing more updates.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby alep » October 22nd, 2014, 6:35 am

AI wrote:It's not 'ours'. It belongs to a previous porter who has gone missing quite some time ago IIRC.
I've poked some people on IRC and maybe "Wesnoth Inc" (which probably has the best chances of 'representing' the project) may be able to do something about it.


Well, thank you very much. Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby alep » October 24th, 2014, 8:14 am

I have created a page on my website where, if you have Google Play transaction ID, you can download the apk (which is currently the same there was on Google Play, so 1.10.7):

http://www.alessandropira.org/bfw_android/get.html

Also, as a small way to say I'm sorry for the app removal, I've also put there a small "extra" which has never been available on Google Play: the apk for the current development version, which is also the first release candidate for 1.12.
Sources for that are available on request; contact me if you are interested.
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Re: Android support thread

Postby GunChleoc » October 27th, 2014, 7:07 pm

If you can't resolve this with Google, maybe https://f-droid.org/ and asking for donations could be a solution in the long run.
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