What's your record for number of attacks without a hit?

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What's your record for number of attacks without a hit?

Post by Lucifuge »

OK, what's your record for number of consecutive attacks on a single unit without getting a hit?

I've just experienced this in the Siege of Elensefar scenario in HTTT

Orcish assassin, on 2 hit points.

Elf fighter attacks 4 times, 4 misses
Knight attacks 4 times, 4 misses

During the AI's turn, he poisons my knight,

Following turn

Elf fighter attacks 4 times, 4 misses
Knight attacks 4 times, 4 misses
Elf Shaman attacks twice, 2 misses
Red mage attacks 4 times, 3 misses and hits on the last attack, killing him. He would have levelled up if he had survived.

That's 21 consecutive misses, 16 at 40% chance to hit and 3 at 70%.

Edit: doubly annoying, as I wasted both turns of daylight trying to kill a single unit that was blocking the way into the central city.
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Re: What's your record for number of attacks without a hit?

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Eh, what's the point? If there is one, where's the replay?

If not, how is it surprising that a <100% chance might yield a <100% result?

So at 40% you missed 16 times and at 70% missed 3 times. That's unlikely, but not impossible. You have a 60% chance to miss in the first case and 30% chance to miss in the second. It just so happens, you got unluckly.

Oh and to answer your question, i've never had a more than a few misses in a row.
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A 0.0000000000000000000001% chance to miss is still a chance to miss.
1 in a million chance is still 1, not 0.

Still, that kind of luck is unbelievable as I've never had to waste more than 3 units just to KO another with 1 hit.
Maybe you could post that replay and the RNG whiners would surely be happy about it.
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Mmoor wrote:Eh, what's the point? If there is one, where's the replay?

If not, how is it surprising that a <100% chance might yield a <100% result?

So at 40% you missed 16 times and at 70% missed 3 times. That's unlikely, but not impossible. You have a 60% chance to miss in the first case and 30% chance to miss in the second. It just so happens, you got unluckly.

Oh and to answer your question, i've never had a more than a few misses in a row.

He's just showing a funny outcome and he wants to know what the record was for most misses.

At least he isn't complaining that the RNG is [censored] up like a lot of other people do.
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Hah, this reminds me of a nice encounter during TroW.
I was in doubt about Lady Outlaw attacking an Orcish Warlord. He would have to get all hits in against 70% defense for retaliation and his attack the next turn to kill her, while avoiding getting hit to many times. I took the risk, long story short, of course she died and I had to restart.

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Re: What's your record for number of attacks without a hit?

Post by Dave »

I once missed 731 times in a row with a horde of marksman elves attacking a troll in water, meanwhile the same troll hit my elves who were in forest 419 times in a row!

Unfortunately I forgot to save the replay. But it did happen. Really!
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Silly Dave, marksman wouldn't affect attacking a troll in water :lol2:

(No, I'm not missing his point :roll:)
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Actually, marksman would. Marksman only says that it has AT LEAST a 60% chance, but a Troll in water would increase your chances to 80%. Unless you're saying that they would have 80% anyway....so nevermind.



By the way, that's a LOT of Marksmen and Markswomen.
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Dave wrote:I once missed 731 times in a row with a horde of marksman elves attacking a troll in water, meanwhile the same troll hit my elves who were in forest 419 times in a row!

Unfortunately I forgot to save the replay. But it did happen. Really!
Ha, I really enjoyed that bit of sarcastic wit. It's right on the money, too. +1 Dave. :mrgreen:
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Dave wrote:I once missed 731 times in a row with a horde of marksman elves attacking a troll in water, meanwhile the same troll hit my elves who were in forest 419 times in a row!
Sounds like someone's been editing the unit cfg's. :mrgreen:

Ok, I just edited these two elves and put them on different teams. I gave both a berserker trait. They both attacked 999 times and, each with a hit ratio of 0-0, missed every time. How's that. :)
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OMG I MISSED ALL OF MY ATTACKS, BUT THEY SAID THAT IT WAS 90% CHANCE TO HIT :O OMGWTFBBQ!!!1! i LOST A WHOLE GAME CUZ MY UNITS DIDNT HIT A FING RNG IS FAIL /sarcasm

On a more serious note, I haven't been badly effected by RNG, I'm sure it will happen to me sometime :L
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@usr: You're kinda overdoing it....


This guy asked a question and you guys are taking it the wrong way...
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How else are we supposed to take it? If you ain't got no evidence, you ain't go no case. So many people come here claiming the RNG is biased/rigged/broken/nonexistant... but they never provide proof of their claims. As a rational, logical human being, I need solid proof before taking something as the truth. Currently all the proof I have is that which I have accumulated in my own playing experience, in which I have never considered the RNG broken in any way.
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artisticdude wrote:
Hulavuta wrote:This guy asked a question and you guys are taking it the wrong way...
How else are we supposed to take it?
As a question?
artisticdude wrote:If you ain't got no evidence, you ain't go no case.
Who was making a case?
artisticdude wrote:So many people come here claiming the RNG is biased/rigged/broken/nonexistant... but they never provide proof of their claims.
What does that have to do with this thread?
artisticdude wrote:As a rational, logical human being, I need solid proof before taking something as the truth. Currently all the proof I have is that which I have accumulated in my own playing experience, in which I have never considered the RNG broken in any way.
As a rational, logical human being you ought to be able to see that no one was saying that the RNG is broken in any way.
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Re: What's your record for number of attacks without a hit?

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Dave wrote:I once missed 731 times in a row with a horde of marksman elves attacking a troll in water, meanwhile the same troll hit my elves who were in forest 419 times in a row!

Unfortunately I forgot to save the replay. But it did happen. Really!
Caphriel wrote:Silly Dave, marksman wouldn't affect attacking a troll in water :lol2:
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