Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains (SPOILERS!)

[Skrim]

Khrakrahs isn't a villain at all, really. In SoF, he's just an innocent bystander if you look at it, and he won't even leave the safety of his lair unless someone gets too close. And he had an army of bats of all things, not even close to the Saurian hordes his so-called weaker brother Shek'kahan commanded. And in EI, he makes a cameo appearance as an oversized undead skeleton who chickens out when facing anything with more than 50 hp. What kind of "villain" is this?

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 2 (-2)
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

I don't even remember who "The Chief" is. IIRC, Landar was the only guy commanding the entire Elvish rebellion, there was none other.

Oh yeah, and I added the Delfador's Memoirs villains, who had been left out.
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In fact, the greatest villain in the entire Wesnoth-verse has to be

Spoiler:

the Book of Crelanu, or actually just Crelanu himself. He was responsible for Landar's face-heel turn, and therefore was indirectly the main villain for LoW and SoF. His book was responsible for Sagus and Asheviere turning to the dark side, hence becoming the villain for HttT, DM and Liberty.

So one villain that spans 5 campaigns, if indirectly, is still something.

[TheGreatRings]

Forgive me my interruption, but the fire dragon in SoF doesn't fit in there because iirc you don't need to kill him to win the scenario, which is in my view vital to qualify as a villain.

Greetz
HomerJ

I find that an... odd definition.

[Espreon]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 0 (-2)
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

I never even finished LoW. Besides, I wanted to kill someone with my first vote.

[Speedbrain]

Asheviere (HttT) - 4 (-1)
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6 (+1)
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

Besides, I wanted to kill someone with my first vote.

On that other thread I figured I might as well stop lurking and actually post something.

[Yeran]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5 (+1)
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 4 (-1)
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

All I said about Asheviere just isn't true about Rakshas.

[PsychoticKittens]

In terms of a villain, villains do not have to die or be killed.

I would say the only thing qualifying a villain is that they are a major protagonist. As the point of view is very important to anything involving the "good and the bad".

[A-Red]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 4 (-1)
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 6 (+1)
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 4
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

Karrag gets bonus points for being a completely unique enemy, but he also has more depth than the other undead villains.

The AOI sovereign is a great boss for a trainer campaign, but that doesn't make him interesting. Also, he tends to suicide rush the player army.

Whether or not you accept that a character has to be fought and killed to be a major villain (which I don't), the fact is you *do* have to kill Khrakrahs in EI. I think the fact that he appears as a powerful and almost unique enemy in two campaigns qualifies him to be on the list.

[TheGreatRings]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 4
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 7 (-1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5 (+1)
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 6
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 4
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

Ancient Lichs are good villains, but ordinary Lichs aren't too bad either. With Malifor gone, I'm casting my next vote for Mal Ravanal. Ravanal wins points as a villain for coming probably the closest of any mainline enemy to killing the Kingdom of Wesnoth.

Taking points from Halstead again because a fort is not a villain, its a building.

[Zarel]

I would say the only thing qualifying a villain is that they are a major protagonist. As the point of view is very important to anything involving the "good and the bad".

I believe the term you're looking for is "antagonist".

[HomerJ]

Forgive me my interruption, but the fire dragon in SoF doesn't fit in there because iirc you don't need to kill him to win the scenario, which is in my view vital to qualify as a villain.

Greetz
HomerJ

I find that an... odd definition.

I was talking more in the gameplay/campaign context. It also disqualifies by only appearing in a single scenario and being not part of any "plot" to stop the heroes throughout the campaign, even Malifor had at least two scenarios bugging you (not to mention that he probably loosely controlled the undead in infested caves. So I repeat my point, Khrakrahs is a monster like the occasional sea serpent, the yeti or what have you. Only that he can recruit bats.

Greetz
HomerJ

[Aethaeryn]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 4
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 6 (-1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 6
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 4
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 7 (+1)
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

Most original, vs. a fun finale that was not a person.

[PsychoticKittens]

Villians are antagonists. So yes.

[Aethaeryn]

Villians are antagonists. So yes.

I'll clarify: The Death Star was not the villain in Star Wars Episode IV. Darth Vader was.

[Limabean]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 4
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 6
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 6
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 3 (-2)
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 4
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 7
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

So annoying.

[Espreon]

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 4
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 6
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 6
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 6
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 2 (-1)
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 4
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 8 (+1)
Iliah Malal (DM) - 5
Sagus (DM) - 5
Zorlan (DM) - 5

Hail the Dark Lady!