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Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains (SPOILERS!)

Post by A-Red » August 30th, 2009, 7:52 pm

Since the protagonists thread just wrapped up, I thought I'd try villains. I've gone with a couple of rather unconventional choices in addition to the obvious--I figured, why not?

I haven't played NR or UtBS yet--if there's anyone I've missed, please add them, and if anyone remembers the LoW chief's name, please add it too.
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Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 5
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 5
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 5
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 5
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by thespaceinvader » August 30th, 2009, 7:53 pm

You seem to have forgotten the one real major villain of DiD: Malin/Mal Keshar. He spends most of the campaign screwing himself over, after all ;)
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by A-Red » August 30th, 2009, 7:58 pm

:)

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by Zigg » August 30th, 2009, 8:44 pm

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 6 (+1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4 (-1)
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 5
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 5

I really enjoyed the way Halstead had to be destroyed by wrecking the underneath so it collapsed and the way that you couldn't take it by brute force. But Draken Volk is a generic evil guy.

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by AzuSkyLigh » August 30th, 2009, 9:07 pm

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 6 (+1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 5
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4 (-1)
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 3 (-2)
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 5

Oh, the genericalness!

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by A-Red » August 30th, 2009, 9:07 pm

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 7 (+1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 5
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4 (-1)
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 3
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 5

Thanks zigg, and I second it. The last level of Liberty is one of my favorite levels in the game, mainly because of the way the level itself manages to feel like a boss enemy, which is why I included it in the list.

As for bland, generic evil I think Mal Ravanal takes the cake--less forgivable than either Volk or Malifor, because he is the climactic encounter.

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by Yeran » August 30th, 2009, 11:41 pm

Asheviere (HttT) - 6 (+1)
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 7
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4 (-1)
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5

I dont even know/remember most of them. Well, for now its the chief, because we are not even sure he got a name and you get the units and the strategy to kill him at the very start of the mission. Not memorable at all.
I like Asheviere on the other hand. Its hard to explain, but while you don't see her until the last scenario you have indeed the feeling you are fighting someone worth fighting against. Sure shes kind of stereotypical, but in a good way as the whole plot slowly reveals her evil deeds and shows you the need to change something. She's not just another lich or orc captain terrorizing everything, but indeed one of the very few lawful antagonists in the wesnoth campaigns.

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by The_great_new_thing » August 31st, 2009, 6:12 am

Asheviere (HttT) - 6
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 7
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 2(-1)
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6(+1)

"May some one -2 Malifor and (re)kill him!!!!"

Yechnagoth is quite an unusual enemy boss, I vote for him! Or her! Or it!
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by Zarel » August 31st, 2009, 7:32 am

Yeran wrote:I like Asheviere on the other hand. Its hard to explain, but while you don't see her until the last scenario you have indeed the feeling you are fighting someone worth fighting against. Sure shes kind of stereotypical, but in a good way as the whole plot slowly reveals her evil deeds and shows you the need to change something. She's not just another lich or orc captain terrorizing everything, but indeed one of the very few lawful antagonists in the wesnoth campaigns.
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<Zarel> Hmm, I think this may have been brought up before, but does anyone know why Asheviere is chaotic?
<zookeeper> Zarel, probably for no other reason besides that she's "evil"
<Zarel> zookeeper: Do you think people would agree to changing it?
<zookeeper> well, i would
<zookeeper> having a chaotic human queen of wesnoth is kinda silly
<zookeeper> no matter how evil
<Zarel> Especially since she's not very chaotic at all.
<zookeeper> i'll change it to lawful
<Zarel> :D
<zookeeper> and people say it's hard for suggestions to get implemented?

I was going to point out that Asheviere's unit isn't actually lawful, but it is now. ;)
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by Velensk » August 31st, 2009, 10:27 am

The_great_new_thing wrote: Asheviere (HttT) - 5 (-1)
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 7
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 6 (+1)
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 2
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by Zigg » August 31st, 2009, 1:18 pm

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8 (plus 1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5 (-1)
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 2
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by The Great Rings » September 1st, 2009, 6:00 am

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 7 (-1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 3 (+1)
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6

Taking one from Halstead on the grounds that a fort is not a villain, and giving it to Malifor on the the grounds that he was one scary, powerful Ancient Lich. Also, I really enjoyed Northern Rebirth a lot.
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by Zigg » September 1st, 2009, 10:35 am

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8 (+1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 2 (-1)
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6

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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by thespaceinvader » September 1st, 2009, 10:38 am

Asheviere (HttT) - 5
Rualsha-Tan (AOI) - 5
Mal M'Brin (TSG) - 5
Fort Halstead (Liberty) - 8 (+1)
Landar (LoW, SoF) - 5
"The Chief" (LoW) - 4
Mal Ravanal (EI) - 4
Khrakrahs (EI, SoF) - 5
Karrag (THoT) - 5
Karres (DiD) - 5
Darken Volk (DiD) - 4
Malin's angst (DiD) - 5
Earl Lanbec'h (SotBE) - 5
Shan Taum (SotBE) - 5
Thelarion (SotBE) - 5
Jevyan (TRoW) - 5
Rakshas (NR) - 5
Malifor (NR) - 0 (-2)
Yechnagoth (UtBS) - 6

Kill - he's a fairly dull, under-developed megalomaniac villain, and he's not even the boss villain, you kill him off less than halfway through the campaign.
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Re: Hurt and Heal: Campaign Boss Villains

Post by HomerJ » September 1st, 2009, 1:29 pm

Forgive me my interruption, but the fire dragon in SoF doesn't fit in there because iirc you don't need to kill him to win the scenario, which is in my view vital to qualify as a villain.

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