Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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ilor wrote:
Aethaeryn wrote:The elves use faerie magic. No human will ever be able to understand that arcane form of magic.
Until, of course, the plot requires it ;)
Of course. As soon as a new mainline campaign contradicts me, I'll adjust my arguments to support it and pretend like this conversation never happened. ;)
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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Aethaeryn wrote:Of course. As soon as a new mainline campaign contradicts me, I'll adjust my arguments to support it and pretend like this conversation never happened. ;)
Ahh, but no. You have backing for your argument:
Elvish Enchantress description wrote:The magic of the elves is wholly unlike that of humanity, so much so that humans are almost universally incapable of understanding it, let alone using it.

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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I agree with the above post. Faerie fire is arcane, for an unknown reason, and seeing that humans cannot understand it, its pointless arguing.
Also, I think silver magi should keep their "fire" damage, but the term "fire" should be changed to "heat". Fireballs, lightning, blah blah blah are all a form of HEAT, not FIRE :eng: . I hope you get my point.
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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Fire sounds cooler.

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Fire is inaccurate.
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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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So? It's cooler. Besides, i could stretch it and say lightning bolts set units on fire.

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Should be changed to laser.

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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But white mages already use laser?

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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The_great_new_thing wrote:Faerie fire is arcane, for an unknown reason, and seeing that humans cannot understand it, its pointless arguing.
The problem is that some human units have arcane attacks.

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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lotsofphil wrote:
The_great_new_thing wrote:Faerie fire is arcane, for an unknown reason, and seeing that humans cannot understand it, its pointless arguing.
The problem is that some human units have arcane attacks.
Yeah, Lightbeams. Lightbeams are different from Faerie Fire. They take more time to cast than a Faerie Fire burst(3 strikes for LB vs. 4-5 strikes for FF) and do somewhat more damage per strike for an equivalent caster level. Faerie Fire also manifests as a white glowy ball of something, while Lightbeams manifests as pillars of light(duh!).

Basically, Elvish Arcane magic is derived from the Faerie world, which humans cannot understand, while Human Arcane magic is derived from adherence to the path of light and good ideals(see Paladin and Mage of Light descriptions). Different sources, different ends.

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Blarumyrran wrote:So? It's cooler. Besides, i could stretch it and say lightning bolts set units on fire.
You do know that's a pun, right?? :P

And you are not supposed to 'stretch it'. Heat is the accurate description. What's fire? A form of heat, of course.
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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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Skrim wrote: Yeah, Lightbeams. Lightbeams are different from Faerie Fire. They take more time to cast than a Faerie Fire burst(3 strikes for LB vs. 4-5 strikes for FF) and do somewhat more damage per strike for an equivalent caster level. Faerie Fire also manifests as a white glowy ball of something, while Lightbeams manifests as pillars of light(duh!).

Basically, Elvish Arcane magic is derived from the Faerie world, which humans cannot understand, while Human Arcane magic is derived from adherence to the path of light and good ideals(see Paladin and Mage of Light descriptions). Different sources, different ends.
The Dark Adept line uses arcane attacks too. I guess that is !(adherence to the path of light and good ideals), so it is covered too? :)

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The_great_new_thing wrote:You do know that's a pun, right?? :P
No, frankly i thought you were taking that "heat" thing seriously, good to know it was just a pun that i didnt understand :) .

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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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lotsofphil wrote:
Skrim wrote: Yeah, Lightbeams. Lightbeams are different from Faerie Fire. They take more time to cast than a Faerie Fire burst(3 strikes for LB vs. 4-5 strikes for FF) and do somewhat more damage per strike for an equivalent caster level. Faerie Fire also manifests as a white glowy ball of something, while Lightbeams manifests as pillars of light(duh!).

Basically, Elvish Arcane magic is derived from the Faerie world, which humans cannot understand, while Human Arcane magic is derived from adherence to the path of light and good ideals(see Paladin and Mage of Light descriptions). Different sources, different ends.
The Dark Adept line uses arcane attacks too. I guess that is !(adherence to the path of light and good ideals), so it is covered too? :)
More like being able to take out of existence their own creations, the most weak to arcane. Almost any other time, their cold attack would do more damage and thus would be used. Yes, Dark Magic in Wesnoth knows Counter-Dark Magic, and for a good reason. You wouldn't want rogue skeletons killing you and all.

Add this third source of arcane to Skrim's description and you're set.
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Re: Why does the Silver Mage use fire?

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The_great_new_thing wrote:And you are not supposed to 'stretch it'. Heat is the accurate description. What's fire? A form of heat, of course.
Ouch. That's so inaccurate it hurts. Fire is a chemical reaction which happens to give off heat as a byproduct. Calling fire a form of heat is about as accurate as calling respiration a form of carbon dioxide.

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