I was something mistaken [was:"rebalancing of Northerne

Rey · Post by **Rey** » November 21st, 2006, 12:27 am

IMO, the northern performance during the fight are smaller to the rest of the factions. And they do not improve much during the night...

Post by **turin** » November 21st, 2006, 12:33 am

Jetryl wrote:Opinions are like facts; people have to realize that a great many of them are simply wrong.

Rey · Post by **Rey** » November 21st, 2006, 12:50 am

turin wrote:
Jetryl wrote:Opinions are like facts; people have to realize that a great many of them are simply wrong.

You can be more explicit?

-> What i might be working on · Post by **Eleazar** » November 21st, 2006, 1:22 am

Rey wrote:You can be more explicit?

A better question is, can you be more explicit?

Wesnoth's factions have been rather painstakingly ballanced. While ballancing is ongoing, it's going to take much more than a vauge assertion to get a whole faction overhauled. If you have specific information, you might at least get the conversation going. But be sure of your facts, and make sure you are playing the latest development version. It's possible the flaw you percieve was already fixed.

Glowing Fish · Post by **Glowing Fish** » November 21st, 2006, 1:31 am

This thread actually inspired me to start a thread in Multiplayer, suggesting that if anyone thinks that they lost (or won) because a faction is over/underpowered, that they ask to play a game with the factions reversed. That usually solves the question rather simply. Well, not usually too simply, because some factions are easier to use. The faction that lost might still lose in the hands of a good player, but it won't get routed quickly.

Rev_the_Avacado · Post by **Rev_the_Avacado** » November 21st, 2006, 1:44 am

I play with northeners all the time, I win around 8 of ten games I play. I find that I cannot win with loyalists, however I have been beaten black and blue by people playing loyalists..... perhaps it is just a matter of playing style... I find that northeners work well for aggressive, offensive tactics and all the core units have really great upgrade trees.
I find the northeners to be well balananced.

Post by **Maeglin Dubh** » November 21st, 2006, 4:12 am

Northerners are not unbalanced. Remaking the entire faction is not urgent, or even mildly pressing, or even an issue at all. There may be mild issues with some factions, I will not make the claim that the game is perfectly balanced. But it's not as bad as you seem to think it is.

Website · Post by **Sapient** » November 21st, 2006, 6:33 am

Urgent re-direction to the Strategies and Tips forum!

Rey · Post by **Rey** » November 21st, 2006, 4:42 pm

Eleazar wrote:A better question is, can you be more explicit?

Ok. My english is not the best one, I see.

Eleazar wrote:But be sure of your facts, and make sure you are playing the latest development version. It's possible the flaw you percieve was already fixed.

The version is 1.1.12

Glowing Fish wrote:This thread actually inspired me to start a thread in Multiplayer, suggesting that if anyone thinks that they lost (or won) because a faction is over/underpowered, that they ask to play a game with the factions reversed. That usually solves the question rather simply. Well, not usually too simply, because some factions are easier to use. The faction that lost might still lose in the hands of a good player, but it won't get routed quickly.

I am not a player very experienced but I have played approximately 10 times with Northern (are not my favorites) and only in 2 or 3 opportunities I observed certain parity -random perhaps? - with other factions. Obvious the tactics influence.

Sapient wrote:Urgent re-direction to the Strategies and Tips forum!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » November 21st, 2006, 5:00 pm

@Rey
it has nothing to do with your English, plenty of us are not native-speakers.
It has more to do with: why do you ACTUALLY think Northerners need rebalancing? What were the specific facts that made you feel that way? Can you provide us with examples? Replays? Anything to narrow down the perceived problem, because "Northerners need rebalancing" is an absolutely useless statement, in that it doesn't help at all understanding why you think that way.

Post by **Doc Paterson** » November 21st, 2006, 5:51 pm

Behold my self-restraint.

Post by **Maeglin Dubh** » November 21st, 2006, 6:20 pm

Admirable indeed, Doc. Not one of your alter egos has manifested itself thus far.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » November 22nd, 2006, 12:48 am

Doc Paterson wrote:Behold my self-restraint.

*delivers chinese-style seasoned chicken adn vegetables to Doc*

I didn't ate much, so you can have it.

*fawns*

Oreb · Post by **Oreb** » November 22nd, 2006, 1:16 am

The northerners don't need any re balancing at all, their units are perfectly fine, and rather good.

Rey · Post by **Rey** » November 22nd, 2006, 1:25 am

Gus wrote:It has more to do with: why do you ACTUALLY think Northerners need rebalancing? What were the specific facts that made you feel that way? Can you provide us with examples? Replays? Anything to narrow down the perceived problem, because "Northerners need rebalancing" is an absolutely useless statement, in that it doesn't help at all understanding why you think that way.

Ok, I observed that "unbalancing" in special in the trolls (IMHO): attacking or defending at night (+25 as all know) usually they lose many more HP than the damage that do -being above in favorable land: 50%/70%-. That I observed more versus elves, dwarves and undeads (even with the night favoring them

). Later I have played (always online) with another faction (elves or loyalist) and have more favorable results without a doubt some.

[repeat: sorry my english]