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Quality of MP players

Post by barefootguru »

Hey people,

I've only played a handful of MP games. A couple were really good, but in the rest other players have quit as soon as they're on the back foot (not definitely losing, only 2-5 turns in).

What strategies do others employ to get a decent game?

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Post by toms »

Some games are always obviously n00b games.

-Do not join games with more than 2g/v
-Do not join non-rumble games with less than 60% xp
-Do not join games with custom maps, except if they are obviously good ones
-Do not join games with >150 starting gold
-Do not join games with Superheroes era
-Look at the names. Stupid ones tell that the player is also stupid.
-Avoid too large maps
-Be careful at team games. There are often friends in a team who have forged their super-tactics (very often based on unbalanced eras and maps)

There are also general leavers who are too unmature to abide a defeat or to give up. And those who join, but quickly go away as they see you are a good player, because they just want cowardly defeat newbies.

I hope that helps you a bit. :)
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Post by Kestenvarn »

Two gold per village limit is the norm nowadays? Isn't the default three gold?
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Post by Magus »

No, Three gold is considered rather high
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Post by Mythological »

Default is 2 gold per village now.
Most (if not all) of the maps in the official map pack are built to be played with that setting, but on a larger maps like 50x50 1gpv is better so that the game doesnt take too long, and vice versa, small maps and maps with few villages can be played with 3 gold or even more.
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Post by toms »

Elvish Pillager wrote:2 gpv borders on riddiculous(some people wouldn't say this)
That's also my opinion. And more than 2 gold is stupid.
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Post by BlackOpsElf »

toms wrote: -Look at the names. Stupid ones tell that the player is also stupid.
This made me laugh, mostly because it is so true. Although, I tend to give strange names to games that I want to play with my neighbor, mostly because I don't want anyone else to join.
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Post by barefootguru »

toms wrote:There are also general leavers who are too unmature to abide a defeat or to give up. And those who join, but quickly go away as they see you are a good player, because they just want cowardly defeat newbies.

I hope that helps you a bit. :)
A bit... it's more the players than the maps I have a problem with. I could keep track of player names, but then they're so easy to change...

I guess you've played a lot of MP. Do you look at the names of who's in the game? Or just put up with quitters?

I don't have that much time to play, and it's irritating to be just getting into a game and suddenly it's me versus AI again.
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Post by 5dPZ »

I don't have that much time to play, and it's irritating to be just getting into a game and suddenly it's me versus AI again.
It is kinda annoying. I have met serveral players in MP who would only play if they are winning. As soon as I hold off their attack and starting to fight back (sometimes I have to fight many turns trying to survive, re-grab village, etc), they quit, without saying anything.
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Post by toms »

The excuse that they have no time anymore always makes me laugh because it's so riddiculous. Why do they play then? Once a player joined an 1v1 by me, and after seeing I'm no noob, he told he has no time any more, and leaves. But he did not leave the server. :roll:
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barefootguru wrote: A bit... it's more the players than the maps I have a problem with. I could keep track of player names, but then they're so easy to change...

I guess you've played a lot of MP. Do you look at the names of who's in the game? Or just put up with quitters?

I don't have that much time to play, and it's irritating to be just getting into a game and suddenly it's me versus AI again.
Its ironic I see you hanging around in the MP channel and yet you seem to have problems finding good opponents. if you have a question ask there. Alot of good players stay in there. Really Wesnoth encorages you to develop a social community of players your regularly play with... so to ensure you don't get quitters. Generally I play with the same 20 or so players... who I highly respect. you should read JB's post in this thread
http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=90

as well as the thread itself (look for my posts)
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Post by barefootguru »

Thanks Noy, feel like I'm getting somewhere now.
Noy wrote:Its ironic I see you hanging around in the MP channel and yet you seem to have problems finding good opponents. if you have a question ask there. Alot of good players stay in there. Really Wesnoth encorages you to develop a social community of players your regularly play with... so to ensure you don't get quitters. Generally I play with the same 20 or so players...
Yeah, I've been in the MP channel, but not seen how that ties in with the MP server--seems to be a different set of people in each. Are you then hosting your own games (so only your friends can join)? And you don't have a problem with people masquerading as others?

(A login and password system on the MP server to prevent 'spoofing' comes to mind...)
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Post by Noy »

Well the Two other devs haven't been on for a little while because of other committments, but when they can they do come on. Most people who come into the channel (with the exception of Xan) are usual players.

I have never once ever seen a person mascarade as another. It doesn't happen. I'm generally open to playing with newer players provided they aren't rude and are willing to listen, and if a spot is open.
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Post by Mythological »

Noy wrote:I have never once ever seen a person mascarade as another. It doesn't happen.
It does happen. Maybe it doesnt happen often, but I have noticed someone ( or some people ) using my name on the server in the hours when I usualy am not online ( mornings and early afternoons in europe ), and that happens pretty often lately
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Mythological wrote:
Noy wrote:I have never once ever seen a person mascarade as another. It doesn't happen.
It does happen. Maybe it doesnt happen often, but I have noticed someone ( or some people ) using my name on the server in the hours when I usualy am not online ( mornings and early afternoons in europe ), and that happens pretty often lately
Good god.

Fortunately, they've not cracked my air-tight security system, which is "use a ridiculous name, but talk and play like myself."

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