Scenario 14: Shadows

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Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by Content Feedback » May 22nd, 2009, 11:18 pm

1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by lotsofphil » June 9th, 2009, 7:01 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on? Medium
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? 6
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives? Clear.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario? I liked it.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario? Delfador comes into a pretty tough spot. Other than that, not much.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? 6
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun? None.
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario? Delfador died a couple of times as soon as he arrived.

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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by Majki-Fajki » April 15th, 2010, 7:01 pm

1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Medium.
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
1 - if You have 4 Elvish Enchantresses (as i have) it's slaughtering the lambs. If You don't - well... Also Holy water helps a lot. My tactic was fly east, massacre undead, regroup, meet Delfador. Than I send Delfador to roast Necromancer on the south. Team used to crush Undead leader on the east simply returned to west and massacre them all. Piece of cake. 100 gold at the start.
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
There is no story line here:)
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None. With flyin' and burnin' elvish girls, very easy.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8. At last some lvl.3 undead units. Love to roast heavy skeletons.
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
No idea. I think it's good as it is. Maybe change script of recriuting. If player has many magic units, more Necrophage and Ghouls. If player has many non-magical units, tons of skeletons.
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
None.
(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
N/A

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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by cph » April 21st, 2010, 9:45 pm

(1) Great Mage, 1.8.0
(2) 7
(3) Clear.
(4) Fine.
(5) I finished on the last turn, mainly because I didn't really know what to expect, and spent too much time fighting undead that I could easily have outrun.

(6) 5 - the most interesting bit is breaking the NW lich's army. Delfador's team has a big fight for 1 turn but then has lots of plodding through woods to get to a lonely enemy leader (well, at least I know how the AI feels trying to chase my elves :-) ).
(8) Not sending sufficient forces to finish off the NW lich and getting Chantal killed.

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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by Gerion » May 2nd, 2010, 2:15 am

1) Medium
(2) 6-7. When You have enough casters in your ranks it is not so difficult after all, but the lack of enough villages and money makes recruiting units once you expended your money nealry impossible
(3) Very clear
(4) It is interesting and explains the comong events quite good
(5) uniting the forces of Kalenz and Delfador. I had a whole bunch of undead between both forces and they concentrated on one side only, threatening to wipe them out
(6) 7. The most fun part are the dialogues, the killing was more or less generic
(7) Can't think of some...
(8) no

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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by shadowblack » July 6th, 2010, 2:55 pm

1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
1.8.2, Mage (Normal/Medium/whatever you call it)

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
2 – much easier than expected

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear, though I wasn’t sure if I have to kill only the leaders, or all undead (I chose the latter for max experience).

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
It was interesting and mostly clear.

One part confused me, though: One of the undead mentioned that they got more help, and later that they got even more help. Since I couldn’t see the east undead I had no idea what that means. More units? More gold? Both?

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Crappy accuracy (Delfador managed to miss 4/4 attacks against an enemy that needed a single hit to die) and not knowing when would be the right time to go fight the east undead.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7 – one of the easiest fights against undead I have seen so far, despite not having enough anti-undead units (I had just one Sorceress). That holy water certainly helped a lot.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
No changes

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
No
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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by Maiklas3000 » August 11th, 2010, 2:59 pm

1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Most difficult; 1.8.3; 119 starting gold

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
7

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
I don't really like them chatting through the mist across vast distances. "NICE TO MEET YOU!" "NICE TO MEET YOU TOO!"

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
The first challenge was killing level 3 undead with level 1 troops running around with arcane-enhanced weapons, albeit supported by a Shyde and two Druids.

Delfador's group arrived almost on top of a group of tough undead, and I overestimated my chances against them, losing two white mages and a shock trooper or something.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
No idea.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
No.
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Re: Scenario Review: DM 14 - Shadows

Post by Thrash » August 18th, 2010, 4:58 am

1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?

1.8.4, Hard, 226 starting gold

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

4 (piece of cake after Return to Trouble)

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Kill bad guys, now this bad guy, now this bad guy...

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

Fine. Really nice to get a good clear nudge to go west.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

Getting elves, without sorceresses, to kill high-level undead.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

6

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

Fine as it is.


(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?

Lost once to shadow and Spectre coming out of nowhere and killing Chantal, otherwise no major challenges.

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?

Looks fine.
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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by santosis » October 16th, 2010, 5:39 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Medium, 1.8.5

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
Killing the first boss without a significant casualty, 9; the rest of the scenario, 2.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear, beat the three baddies.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Solid, except for the "here come reinforcement" lines. Perhaps the undead could say something about "I smell life this way, let us satiate our hunger" or something. Dialogue is a great way to invigorate a scenario, but given the fog of war, the reinforcements line doesn't make much sense.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
As I indicated above, killing the first boss. I started with 108 gold, so I recalled 2 rangers, 1 marksman, 1 druid, and recruited two fresh soldiers.

I lost one stormtrooper when Delfador appeared.

I finished in round 19/28 with -200 gold and will carry -30 gold over to the next level. Minimum gold it will be!

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8 - I enjoyed the level, a nice challenge in the beginning.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
The mages might have one or two bodyguards to elevate the challenge after the initial push.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
A few reloads to figure out how to endure the NW mages (he recruited 5 of them) without losing a troop.

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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by Arawn » December 22nd, 2010, 2:06 am

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Easy
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
2 - required minor non-suicidal moves
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
great
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
awesome
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Very few
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
9, one of the best undead battles I've had
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Higher income. I was having so much fun until I looked at my income and found a -30. Even after capturing every village it was at -1. This was with only one keep of units. Could Delfador bring some money with him? I was at -300 by the end and only made 19 gold with my bonus.
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
No
(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
I don't.

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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by dsa » January 13th, 2011, 1:28 pm

1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Hard, 1.9.3

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
4, I spent not even 200 of my 430 start gold on units and still had no big problems. I saved the money, because I did not know, that Delfador and his units would arrive later on, which meant a very high upkeep and highly negative income. As money saving is therefore completely useless in this scenario, it could have been even easier, if I would have spent all of my start gold on units.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Okay.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Nothing in particular.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
I was a bit frustrated, when I found out, that my money saving was useless, because of something I could not foresee and control. It would be nice, if the astounding high upkeep after Delfador's arrival could have been avoided somehow.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
No

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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by GagarinGambit » March 12th, 2011, 3:44 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Hard 1.8.4

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3, easy. My force consisted of one shyde, one elvish marshal, three rangers, one sorceress, and a fighter who was about to level up (in addition to Chantal and Kalenz). All of them survived the scenario.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
They're not clear. After Delfador arrives, the objective changes from "kill all enemy leaders" to "kill all enemies". By now I know that whenever the objective is to kill "all enemies", it's actually to kill all leaders, and I can verify that's the case in this scenario as well. Maybe it's a Wesnoth limitation? Anyway, this objective change is misleading.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Delfador and Kalenz meet. OK, it's fine for storyline purposes, but they don't say that much.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
6

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Other than removing the objective change, none. I understand that it's meant to be played as a small elite force against numerous but weak undead troops, and it works well this way.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
No
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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by Pewskeepski » March 24th, 2011, 8:46 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Challenging, 1.9.4 (159 gold)

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario?
7

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
I don't like this talking through fog crap. "We have more help!" Really? I can't even see you so why should I be intimidated :annoyed:

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
I went back to my original camp in an attempt to keep my villages, but then I saw... SPECTRES!? I didn't know he recruited spectres! Run for you lives!!

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is?
6: Not bad.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Not sure...

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
Nope.

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
OK.

(10) How well done did you find the map for the scenario?
Well done.
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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by Ninjuri » May 28th, 2012, 6:36 pm

Normal 1.10.2
Difficulty: 5
Objectives: 100% clear
Dialogue: Good, the undead banter about reinforcements was confusing though, as i had no sight of these reinforcements they were getting, so i would have no idea which ones were the original force they recruited and which were the reinforcements.
Challenges: Figuring out the holy water. At first i assumed it worked the same as it did in one HTTT scenario when you move one unit to the water, and it gives all melee units arcane. I noticed there were three of them so i thought "What? why would there be more than one?" So i sent Cleo to one of them to test it, then i reloaded back to turn one after i found out what it did.

Luckily, i had 3 heros in my recal list from last scenario, so that saved me some gold, and it was just the right amount to collet the holy waters, maximizing the melee arcane damage. I spent the rest on a sorc, shaman, and captain. I worked my way around counter-clockwise assaulting the bases, as suggested by cleo. By the time i had gotten to the second base, delf came. There were some skeles coming through the shallow water on the south at the second base, so after i killed the guy there, i set up perimeter on the forests next to the water to maximize terrain advantage. Delf and his troupe assaulted the north-eastlich, and by the time the dialogue started between the two main characters, i think they were on opposite sides of the map.

Fun: 8, pretty fun 'hack and slash' with some high lvs.
Changes: Clarify the holy water's difference to the holy water used in the HTTT campaign where it is also used. Clarify the whole undead reinforcement bit.
Reloads: One time when i had cleo test the holy water, (as previously mentioned), and another time when my sorc got ganged by like 4 units on the first undead base. I didn't want to go through the rest of scenario without her, and for good reason, she was an essential tool.
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Re: Scenario 14: Shadows

Post by dabber » June 17th, 2014, 5:48 pm

I've been playing around with this campaign again and I noticed something in this scenario. The troops that show up with Delfador are newly created just for this scenario. They aren't guys carried over from Ford of Parthyn; they are randomly created new ones. That doesn't make sense, since the storyline text indicates Delfador moved here from Parthyn. It also seems wrong that Delfador comes with 3 heavy infantry when he says at the end of Parthyn that he needs to move quickly through the wildlands.

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