Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

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Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by Content Feedback » March 10th, 2006, 12:58 am

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by Skippy » April 30th, 2006, 11:39 am

First comments: I haven't even begun this scenario but I've got to say - get Owaec across the river when he can only move 1 hex per turn (7MP and 4 per shallow water). You have got to be joking!

Final review:

1) Medium, 1.1.2a
2) 3
3) Fine
4) Interesting and clear
5) Luck - hoping that I don't face too many orcish grunts on the opposite shore and lose high level units in the water - its just a bloodbath in the water. Owaec moving one hex per turn, really means that there are practically no choices to be made in this scenario - you just have to hope the dice fall your way.
6) 2 - your moves are pretty much dictated for you. Slog across the river and send a few mages to dispose of the undead vanguard
7) Give the ogres a bit more money so they can do something other than provide free experience for the orcs (e.g. so they are an actual distraction rather than a minor annoyance)

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Post by cph » June 9th, 2007, 2:01 pm

1) Medium, 1.2.4
2) 8
3) Clear
4) Good
5) Lack of units with move 2 in water. I ended up recruiting a lot of L1 spearmen just to get a couple with 'quick'.

I made some mistakes at the start, sending Owaec to seize villages, not realising he would be the critical path in this scenario. Getting out of the water the far side with just Gweddry, a mage, a spearman, and a L2 swordsman, I was fairly lucky to be able to beat the 4 or so orcish grunts guarding the shore, considering most of the fight was at night.

6) 6 - being totally handicapped by Owaec and the mage being slow in water, while frustrating, also made it challenging
7) Less undead reinforcements - only a few units reached me to fight, but they recruit 6 units per turn and take awhile to shuffle their units around every turn.

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by silent » September 4th, 2009, 10:23 am

This is probably, though to a much lesser extent compared to the choices in TRoW, the no-brainer scenario to pick.

There needs to be some sort of equal reward for either scenario. In this one, you get 2 ogres in your recall list and a loyal ogre, for beating few enemies. In the other scenario, you have to try and fight through 2 cuttlefish and several more enemies.

Pretty obvious which to pick.

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by miekka » December 29th, 2009, 1:56 pm

1. medium 1.6.5
2. 2, once you realize how to do it
3. clear
4. I liked it
5. with my strategy none
6. 2.. I didn't recall anything, just recruited two forts of spearmen and some HI. they weren't meant to survive, just to slow the undead down. and they succeeded. it was just a matter of moving the heroes across the river
7. I don't really know..

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by monochromatic » July 20th, 2010, 7:30 pm

turin wrote:(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Normal 1.8.3
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
5 - The scenario really depends on how stupid the ogre leader is. Since I want free ogres, letting him die wasn't an option. Thus hanging around in the water ain't an option either.
Ah, the undead? Dacyn and a White Mage took care of them, leveling them both into MoL's.
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Didn't realize if the ogre leader died you wouldn't get the free ogres and himself as a loyal unit.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
The best so far! Only because of the ogre leader.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Getting there in time so the ogre leader wouldn't get squashed.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
2 - More frustrating than fun. I hate it when I lose because of my ally.
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Have the ogres be more defensive and throw away all their troops in the beginning.

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by dsa » November 8th, 2010, 3:54 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and what version of Wesnoth have you played the scenario on?
Challenging, 1.8.4.

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3 just for finishing and 6 for additionally rescuing the ogre.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear, although a bonus objective, to protect the ogre, could be added for additional clarification.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
The only unclear thing was the following: Before the scenario starts, the orc leader says, that he deals with the ogre later, because there are men crossing the river. But during the scenario the ogres are attacked first.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
The main objectives were no real problem. Only rescuing the ogre was a bit challenging, because he dies quite fast without help.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
6

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by BfWEthnographer » December 6th, 2010, 8:17 am

Content Feedback wrote:(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
1.8.5; Normal
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
7
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Clear and, like the rest of campaign: quite pleasant to follow
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Keeping a good formation while crossing the river.
Keeping the ogre leader alive (I tried several times, but I didn't manage to cross over before it gets killed)
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
6
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
The ending of the scenario is a bit awkward:
My units crossed the river and the scenario ended while all of my units were engaged in fighting.
I've never seen a battle ending like this :P

Perhaps the orc leader should run away, if my units cross the river, or perhaphs killing the orc leader should be made a scenario objective.
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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by podbelski » September 4th, 2011, 11:09 pm

(1) What difficulty level and version of Wesnoth have you played the scenario on?
1.9.8, top difficulty, no reloads

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
"5" to cross the river, "10" to save the Ogre leader.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
fine, besides that when I cross the river but the ogres already killed, Dacyn says "Ok now we should seek an alliance with ogres" or smth like that, and then the scenario ends ubruptly. Definitely should be a phrase like "We've done it, unfortunately the orcs have crushed ogres blah blah"

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
accept the fact I won't have a loyal ogre (restarted several times)

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
moderately fun, if I saved an ogre it would have been better

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
as is, I don't see how an ogre leader can survive. I rush straight into the waters with my fastest troops, but once they reach the other shore it's already clear I can't do anything to save the ogre leader. Maaaybe if the ogres are insanely lucky it's possible...
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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by HenryPlainview » October 7th, 2011, 2:17 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Hardest
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
6
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Fine
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
The white mage saying "The undead reinforcements have arrived, we must cross the river immediately!" made me angrier than anything I have ever seen in Wesnoth. I am trying to cross the river but you only move one hex at a time you smug [censored] and I still haven't forgiven you for the first mission of this campaign.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
WATER PENALTIES ARGH
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
3. You're basically entirely dependent on the luck of the ogre and whoever jumps into the water to fight with you. That is not fun. But I generally
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
It takes the cavalry guy ELEVEN TURNS to cross the river. That is ridiculous, I spend most of this mission watching the AI fight itself. The river should be shrunk so it takes him no more than 7-8.

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by line » January 17th, 2012, 9:16 pm

(1) What difficulty level and version of Wesnoth have you played the scenario on?
1.8.6, hard
154 starting gold

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3. Very few fighting and the knights charge attack in the water with a 80% chance to hit combined with Gweddry's leadership clears out everything that comes across.
As said in the walkthrough: Put Owaec in the water on turn 1 - otherwise you're too late to save the ogre.
Also, it is possible to kill the undead leader on turn one. Backed up buy Dacyn (if he is a light mage and Gweddry a general) Gweddry deals out arcane-enhanced damage of 17 per strike (if you gave him an amulet before). It needs 3 hits to kill the 47 HP of the revenant (what is not very likely to happen, as the chance to hit is 40% and just two hits can be expected).

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear. The scenario's ending by simply stepping foot on the opposite coast with just Gweddry and Owaec is imho quite explainable. This orc is not too strong, once you accomplish your D-Day on his coast he retreats.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Clear.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Once you send Owaec into the water immediately - none.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
Nice for knight charging.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Maybe let Owaec say something like: "I hate water!" or similar to make clear, he is awesome slow. Putting him asap in the water is the key to this scenario.
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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by line » February 7th, 2012, 11:08 pm

(1) What difficulty level and version of Wesnoth have you played the scenario on?
1.9.14, hard
156 starting gold

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3. Put Owaec in the water asap. He can reach the other side of the river not earlier than turn 11. But it's definitely possible for the ogres to hold out until then, even though their defending is so poor (they do not wait at the rock hexes to let the orcs attack from the gras, from the gras they attack a unit that is placed in a village).

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Clear.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
It took me too long to kill the undead (because the red mage was not fast, so only the arcane knight could help out - and I did not want Dacyn to kill the lvl-2 undead and gain the 16 XP as he already was a light mage. So Gweddry lasted until round 13 to reach the other coast - too late to save the ogre.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
5.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None.
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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by Ninjuri » May 12th, 2012, 6:45 am

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
easy 1.10.2
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
5
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
70%
I actually played this twice, the first time, i thought it was a ditch the base instantly kind of thing, so i just recruited some units and ran with them. Then ended up being hounded by bats and when i finally got to the edge of the river i got attacked by an orc (who died), which i thought meant that the ogres now knew that i was an enemy of the orcs and on their team, but then they came over and attacked me too.

The second time, i realized what daclyn meant by undead reinforcements, and the possibility of killing the undead at the bottom, and then crossing the river, because i would have plenty of time. I sent a few units to take him out and then started up the river. I took the west leading path through the shallows so i could come up right under the orcs, and have less possibility of getting into confrontation with the ogres. A few dragoons and calvarymen took out the orc leader and by the time my heros got across the ogres just decided to join me randomly.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Good, i liked seeing how orges act independent of an army.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
A bit of confusion, see 3.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
6
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Maybe make it a little clearer.
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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by SBak » September 16th, 2013, 1:16 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Easy and medium 1.8.5 and 1.10.5

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
5.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Very clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Plausible because you have to get the characters across the river. I couldn't help but laugh when Owaec spots the Undead arriving and says 'we must cross the river immediately' when he's trailing behind every other unit who are closer to the shore. You'd also think the Ogres would be grateful when my units crossed the river and wiped out the Orcs but then they started attacking my units. Some gratitude. Then they have the cheek to offer their help at the end.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Getting Owaec across the river, one hex at a time. Man, he was so slow an Orcish Archer also in the middle of the river had time to change his mind head back and almost meet Owaec on the shore. Problem was that Dacyn was also slow, the Undead were spamming bats which hounded him each one taking 3-4HP a bite.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
5 - the battle with the Orcs was fun but offset with getting Owaec across the river and trying to save Dacyn. Dacyn started out a healthy White Mage on the southern shore but only had 2HP by the time I got Owaec across the shore. In the time between getting the other units and Owaec across Gweddry had taken out two Orcish Archers, badly injured an Orcish Grunt and dispatched a young Ogre.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
I think Owaec badly needs at least another movement point and either a sense of humour or very strong anti-depressants.

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Re: Scenario Review - EI: The Crossing

Post by Maiklas3000 » March 31st, 2014, 7:44 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Challenging (hardest); 1.10.7; 229 starting gold.

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3 to win, 9 to save the Ogre leader.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Pretty clear. I was unclear about details like whether the Ogres would be friendly (from other posts it seems they're not), where the undead reinforcements would appear, and whether I could continue to play for XP after my key units crossed the river.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
I liked it.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
The Ogre leader died on two plays before I could get any units ashore. The third time in addition to Owaec I sent Dacyn and L1 Mage into the river right away, trying hard to lure the orcs into the water and away from the ogres. This ploy sucked 3 orcs into the water and distracted others. The ogres were still slaughtered but the ogre leader remained unwounded(!)

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Something needs to be done to give the ogre leader a better chance. It's no fun having to rely on luck. What about a swamp in the middle to slow down the orcs? Also, victory in this scenario really isn't challenging unless you have Owaec wait in the water while you take down the orc leader, but I don't want to have to do that. And as others said it doesn't make sense for a raging battle to stop because some lame horseman has emerged from the water. You could have a dialog to ask if you want to continue to fight until the orc leader is killed. Or you could make the objective be a signpost at the top edge of the board near the orc's keep. That would spice things up.
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