South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by silent » August 4th, 2009, 7:34 am

stupidjaguar wrote:I played on Hard, 1.6.4 - I found the level very difficult. It's a mainline campaign, so all the objectives, dialogue, and fun-factor are fine (though it's never fun to get beaten so badly by skeletons).

I feel very bad seeing the people who find this level easy. I do not find it easy at all. The walkthrough suggested that I used footpads and thugs, which I would have done anyway. However, even with the 4 mages that appeared on turn 11 (since I finished on turn 13 in the last level), I still found the stacks of undead impossible to get through. The undead chewed through Minister Hylas, the Arch Mage, and one of the White Mages, as well as every footpad and thug I threw at it. A Halberdier that I eventually got was good for taking out Necromancers, but Outlaws and Bandits all inevitably died. There were too many Draugs, too many shadows. Am I just bad at Wesnoth? To tell the truth, I have never beaten any campaigns on Hard, and only Liberty and HttT on Medium. I thought I would try my hand at TSG to see if I could beat it on hard. Obviously I couldn't. I've gotten through DiD and NR without cheating, albeit on Easy, but still... why is this level so hard? Even with the few units I had left, I know I could have taken the draugs and other enemies left (about 7 or 8) but the Lich just kept recruiting more, 2 chocobones or draugs or bone shooters or necromancers every turn... he has enough income to serve him forever. I was frustrated and got rid of the saves. I was doing fine until this scenario... sorry if I sound whiny or naive
I think what would help you is to first recruit a few cavalry to go take all the villages on your half of the map. Then proceed to recruit footpads, and any veterans as damage soakers (royal guards, cavaliers). Attempt to split M'Brin's forces so that half try to cross the river and half cross the bridge (those loyal mermen, particularly if you made the hunter a netcaster, will help you achieve this goal). Keep footpads in 70% def terrain where possible too.

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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by stupidjaguar » August 4th, 2009, 7:46 am

Most villages on my half of the map were already taken. I sent the Silver Mage to go around taking the rest, and then he joined the front. I recruited footpads for several turns until my gold ran out. Then I could recruit 2 per turn (with about 30 income). I did not level my mermen as there wasn't a lot of water for them to be that useful. I still had the two loyals from the first scenario, but I know if I sent them out (in fact I sent one), they would be butchered eventually. 70% terrain helped a little, but even that cannot save footpads from 12 Draugs, with an assortment of Bone Shooters, Shadows, and Necromancers.
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by Zubb » October 21st, 2010, 1:38 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Hard 3/3 1.8
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
1
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
absolutely
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Was a bit dull, IMO?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
none
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
4 good to end the campaign, but this was way too easy, even compared to previous scenario. I never ever defended against ''huge undead horde'', I just steamrolled the enemy, with mages blowing up Draugs, thugs and footpads clearing the rest. I killed the lich at 14, when it run out of the castle to blow up a royal guard. That was a bit sad, because 'teh relieve force' of mages arrived turn 13, and they were supposed to be saving my back, not watching me finish the job.
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Make Lich at least as powerful as in previous scenario?

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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by podbelski » July 23rd, 2011, 12:28 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
1.9.6, top difficulty, 304gp, no reloads

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
"6". Not a tough one, it actually went pretty smooth but this is b/c I know how to do it. For a novice player, it can really become impossible to win, as you are obviously overwhelmed by the undead, so the only way to win is to outskill them chosing the right moves, using terrain/daycycle to your advantage, knowing weaknesses of the enemy and having a good stratgic plan overall. On the other hand, if you are that new to Wesnoth play easier difficulty level and/or chose elven branch, should be fine.

I played a bit recklessly, and lost more units than I could (both mermen and too many outlaws), but I was like "whatever, it's the last scenario and it looks I win anyway".

Finished in turn 30/60, 30 losses, 64 kills

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
A ton of undead.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8, it looks great to me.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
great as is
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by Gerion » December 22nd, 2011, 9:14 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
1.8.6, hardest

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
7. It is clearly not impossible, but no cakewalk either

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Very clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Very clear and interesting. This scenario is WAAAAAAY more satisfying than the counterpart from the elven branch!

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Surviving the first rush of the enemies

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8. Very fun! It gives you the feeling of actually having achieved something, not like the end in the elven branch where you think you cheated to win

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None, it is fine as it is!

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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by Seldam » December 24th, 2012, 1:57 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Civilian (easy); 1.10.5

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
5

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Everything was clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialogue and storyline of the scenario?
I found the ending very good. I think that was a successful scenario and ending.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
To survive the first 14-16 rounds.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
There is nothing to change.
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by Pewskeepski » April 19th, 2013, 6:31 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
"Normal" difficulty, Version 1.11.2.

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
6. I was gonna say 7, but it got easy once the council came.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Go get him!

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Great.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Draugs are menacing.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8. A great finale.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None.

(8) How well done did you find the map for the scenario?
Excellent.
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by max_torch » January 7th, 2014, 4:14 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Hard 1.10.4

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3. because even when I decided not to use my brain and just spam footpads and not really analyze too much (thus every single one of my mages died) I still won by recruiting so many footpads that it just overwhelmed the enemy like a flood when I finally brought them all forward to mal m'brin.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
very very clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Pretty interesting.. I was imagining in my head that the whole city/town of westin was getting pissed and every time people struck down any undead I would imagine them saying 'for westin! take that you silly undead!'

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Draugs take hell of a long time to kill and the shadows ambush at night and can skirmish.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
9.Very very good way to teach novice players that the undead are definitely not invincible. and its fun to see so many units level so quickly from killin level 3 and level 2 enemies.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Maybe add more drama and make mal m'brin a really evil guy. Perhaps as the people finally surround Mal M'brin there would be a dialog like: 'So you're the one responsible for all this! You deserve to die!' and then mal m'brin says 'fools! you are no match for my power! It is you all who shall die!'

(8) How well done did you find the map for the scenario?
pretty realistic geography it does look like how the place looks like on the wesnoth map. it's a plausible landscape

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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by firefox » July 25th, 2014, 8:51 am

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
-> 1.11.16, easiest difficulty (I haven't played for over a year)

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
-> 7 or 8

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
-> very clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
-> good, but I didn't understand why Minister Hylas was not present.
Also Deoran or Mebrin could say something at the end.
When I killed Mebrin the scnerario ended instantly and then i was told what happened afterwards.
I think Mebrin should have some last words.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
-> Well, my recall list was gone without explanation. I could use only fresh recruits aggainst lv2 units.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
-> 8 or 9

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
-> I missed Minister Hylas ...
Mebrin should have some dialogue text. To make things more dramatic he could say something about Sir Gerrick.
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by kiss » July 31st, 2014, 5:53 am

60 turns, the longest one.
Mefel? I never seen him in Star Treck! One more amazing idea.
Again it's difficult for me to read the map, a lot of possibilities. Two free villages. Water in the middle. A lot of villages in the southwest. 1 free village in the center. 3 villages to defend south from the river.
I do not like my castle shape, it looks like something will come from west. Elves to fight against me?

Strategy: Send thugs and footpads over the river for the first fight. Use Mefel to take the 2 villages in the north side. Send Jarek to take some free villages in the southwest.

Turn 1: Damn.

Turn 2, 3: I have to try some moves wiht Mefel and Jarek.

Turn 4, 5: The help is welcome, and my try works fine.

Turn 6, ..., 39: Over.

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Civilian (beginner) 1.10.7

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
1

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

I found surprising Mal M'Brin was here, wasn't he died on the previous scenario? Perhaps it's lich's behaviour?

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
I was about restarting in the middle of the fight because I found I do so badly.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10) 10
Mefel is fun.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Perhaps one more guy like Mefel?
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by Linthar » August 6th, 2014, 3:39 am

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Soldier (aka the highest difficulty) 1.10.7

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
8.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
It's kind of strange that the main villain of the entire campaign doesn't have a single line of dialog during the final battle. The epilogue is good, but the dialog of the scenario itself feels lacking for a final battle, just being 4 or 5 lines, not one of which actually mentions the villain (I'm not counting saying the undead army is here as mentioning Mal M'Brin.).

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
The enemy starts with an absurd amount of gold and is able to summon a ridiculous number of level 2 and 3 undead. My recall list didn't have enough veterans (especially since scenarios 6 and 7 are either difficult or impossible to level up units in) to stand a chance of facing that head on. (About 15 turns into the scenario the enemy had recruited 8 level 3 units and 29 level 2 units. For comparison I had 4 level 3's and 5 level 2's in my recall list. A bit of a mismatch there.) The strategy I found that worked was to flood the enemy with foodpads, at both places where they would try to cross the river. I took horrible horrible losses, but I could recruit one or two each turn, and bought myself enough time for the council to arrive (Barely enough time though. I had totally lost control of the bridge to the east, and the situation around the Westin itself was starting to heavily resemble a last stand). Their ability to kill undead really quickly plus the fact that the enemy had finally lost most of their first wave and were now trickling more units in slowly was enough to turn things around, and I had enough breathing room to recall my veterans to help push the enemy back. Even then it was one long running fight all the way to the enemy keep since the enemys income meant he was constantly recruiting every turn.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
10. It's the largest scale battle I've played so far, and one of the most challenging. Makes for a pretty epic ending for the campaign. Plus the action doesn't ever stop in this map.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
I'd improve the dialog to make it actually feel like the end of the campaign. Have Deoran metion that Mal M'Brin has come in person and this is their chance to finish him off, have Mal M'Brin taunt the heroes about how they are going to die or something else along those lines, just do something to actually highlight that you are finally fighting the Big Badguy of the campign.

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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by nikita1996 » December 23rd, 2015, 11:08 am

[5 quote="Content Feedback"](1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?[/quote]

(1) v1.12.5 Hard
(2) 2. Quite easy. I have more money than the AI in the beginning. So it's unreasonable to lose. 60 turns is too much for me. I only spent 26 turns to win it -- not as much as half of the turn limit.
(3) Very clear -- to kill the king.
(4) It's interesting and let me feel release -- I have gradually reached the end. Now the south of Wesnoth is in a great peace.
(5) Nearly no challenge. Maybe the only to small challenges are: to keep the villages in the southwest of the map, and to efficiently kill the undead, especially for the fast chocobones and the nightgaunts. You must stop the shadows and nightgaunts from attacking you with backstab.
(6) 6.
(7) Maybe it's really too easy. It doesn't seem like a final combat. Make it harder!
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Re: South Guard 8b. The Tides of War

Post by Konrad2 » May 8th, 2018, 9:51 pm

(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Soldier (Normal), 1.14.0

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
Kinda...3. The terrain advantage makes a lot of difference.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
100%

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
It was interesting, although I have to wonder why the great Council of Westin is not based in Westin..?

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Not being stupid.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
4? It's very straight and there are no surprises. There is not even a last breath of Mal M'Brin.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Add a last breath of Mal M'Brin and maybe some ambush guards?
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