Scenario 7: Showdown

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Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by Content Feedback » March 11th, 2008, 4:28 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by Turuk » December 16th, 2008, 6:39 am

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
High Lord (Challenging) 1.5.6

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3. Not that hard, all of the units I have are level 3, the rangers can be held in reserve to sneak in and jump the orc leader, and cause serious damage, even if they die.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Crystal.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Good dialogue, first scenario again where the Advisor's part actually works.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8. Despite it's ease, I think it was a good culmination to the scenario (Could use a slightly larger map?), and the reinforcements are a nice touch.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None really, good as is.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
No.

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
Went back over the dialogue for the campaign. The parts where the Advisor fails to speak is because it has the [role] tag, but the writer did not bother to put Advisor in quotations. The parts in the campaign where the Advisor's part currently works are where it reads:

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I do not know if this has been fixed, but it is an easy one to do.
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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by Derekkk » January 1st, 2009, 8:30 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Medium 1.5.6

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
2

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Very clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Rather predictable and so failed to retain much of my attention. I only skimmed through it.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
5

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
This scenario is too easy. I have accumulated a few level-3s from previous scenarios and I managed to kill the enemy leader in turn 5 with the High Lord and a sharpshooter when he foolishly left his keep.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
None

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
The wml is very well-maintained. What's harder to maintain is the balance in-game in the face of the changing AI and the changing unit specs.

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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by HalfThere » June 19th, 2009, 2:22 am

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
Easy 1.6.2

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
1
Since i was playing on easy, it was clearly not going to be too hard, but I'd also like to say that i found it dramatically easier than previous missions... Maybe just because I wasn't afraid to lose units.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Very.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Clear, but a little anti-climactic. Maybe some insight into Rualsha's deepest hopes and dreams?

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None. Rualsha just ran right out from his fort and surrendered himself to me, basically.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
6 - kicking ass is kind of fun.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None in particular, but for better AI that doesn't rush out from its protection. I'll try a harder difficulty setting next time.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
Nope.

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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by axelotl » June 22nd, 2009, 1:45 am

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?

High Lord 1.6.2

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

3. With 214 gold and plenty of leveled units, it would have been easy enough without the loyal rangers.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

I still don't know Rualsha's motives for starting this whole war.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

None.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

3

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

Higher levels should get fewer free Rangers?

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?

No.

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?

The player-controlled Elves have an [ai] section. Surely this is redundant code?

The Elvish recruit list is defined twice (once conditionally, once unconditionally).

The variable "difficulty" is defined but not (so far as I can see) actually used.

As in some previous scenarios, the final dialogue is broken if the scenario is such a bloodbath that Erlornas is the only surviving Elf.
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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by monochromatic » June 22nd, 2009, 5:33 pm

First of all, why don't the rider and the rangers have names? Shouldn't they?


(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
High Lord, Ver. 1.7

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
1. The tactic is given away at the beginning.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear. Defeat the big, bad, bad guy. :twisted:

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
I still want to know hat the boss wanted form the elves. The Ruby of Fire??? (As said in TRoW)

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
2. Every difficulty is the same on this level. Maybe when you attack the boss, he calls for guards?? I don't know.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
As above. Calls for guards. Maybe less rangers, so you have to level your own rangers to set the surprise attack.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
Nope.

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
Looks fine.

In general, this is a fine campaign, with a good storyline and dialogue and effective gameplay. The levels could be balanced a little more with each other, and in the harder versions, take out the notes for the last two scenarios. Otherwise, I really, really, really like this campaign. :D

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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by ArneBab » November 14th, 2009, 10:05 am

Hi,

I just played the while campaign yesterday and I liked it a lot!

So I thought "would be nice to give feedback" :)
(how about an option to send feedback from within the game after every scenario? That would be the easiest way to give something back.)

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?

Medium

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

4

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Perfectly clear: Kill the leader :)

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

I missed an introduction on the Map. Otherwise I liked it.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

Not losing any units :)

The only ones I didn't try to protect at all costs (and reloads) where the unnamed 2nd level archers. These should have names and personalities, I think.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

7 - the tip to get them from behind it great! I could get rid of the darn troll that way.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

A bit of story on the map and names for the 2nd level archers ("Waldhüter" in german).

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?

Three times I lost a unit which was dear to me... ;)

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?

I sadly don't know WML (and my time is too short to get into it right now).

What I missed at the end was a way to keep my units and move on to other campaigns. Or to at least have my units live on somehow (like they do in starcraft - though there all units are pregenerated).

Seeing an orcish campaign as followup in which my 2nd and 3rd level units fight against me (or maybe even just steer the action from behind the scenes, so they don't get squatted all in one battle) could be a real treat!

Maybe one of my strong units (2nd and higher) in every battle, with the two strongest ones as "commentary" and "boss fight" in the showdown.

Maybe with slightly different text for different unit types (fighters more aggressive, healers a bit softer - except for those who choose a path of thorns :) ).

Though I don't know if I could bear to really kill off my own units... it would be another (more complex) level of challenge - maybe even keeping the one enemy unit alive and only killing the leader to keep that one elf alive whom I learned to love when I commanded him/her myself :)
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Re: Scenario Review: AOI 7 - Showdown

Post by cph » April 14th, 2010, 10:59 pm

(1) High Lord (Challenging), 1.8.0
(2) 2
(3) Clear
(4) Okay, but a bit of an anti-climax. After the promising hints of darkness in dialogue levels 2 and 3 I was expecting a bit more of a reveal at the end. At least I expected to find that the orc cheftain was particularly savage with his subordinates, and I was half expecting to find some wizardry at work. Instead I seem to have caught out a not-very-smart chieftain by turning up while his army is away.

(5) None.
(6) 5
(7)

Colourful ranting by the orc chieftain about how his subordinates have failed him, how he intends to mount every warrior's head on a spike if they don't bring him the body of this elf imposter before nightfall, etc etc.

The level was too easy to require strategy at the moment. I played along with the idea and sent my rangers stealthily around to ambush the leader, but my main force had steamrollered over the enemy army and arrived only a turn later than the ambush team. The AI's army can afford to be more substantial, given that the player's army can at worst park in woods and have a massive defensive advantage while sitting out the storm.

His army arriving back during the battle would be an alternative approach; that could force the player to strike faster and not lurk in the woods. (But I didn't lurk in the woods, and if the reinforcements arrived after turn 7 I wouldn't have seen them because it was all over, so I think the AI still needs to be somewhat stronger - or the player's bonus L2 units at the start cut back.)

(8) No

Overall comments on the campaign:
  • I like it: the level layouts in particular are good and the terrain makes for battles that I liked. Valley of Trolls is very good.
  • The plot had promise in the first few levels, but the last two are not a great ending. Apart from my suggestions above to "close" the story better in the final level, I wonder of the undead can be brought into the story a bit more: perhaps Linaera knows that orcs are patrolling the whole area... except for this haunted valley... fight the undead and you'll get to Rualsha's keep without him having warning to muster his army. Just an idea.
  • Valley of Trolls is a good tough little challenge for early in a campaign, whereas the rest are good little battles but not requiring more than good terrain use. I think VoT needs to be easier, not by cutting the enemy strength but just by making the strategy easier and more apparent to newer players. I expect that few people who survive VoT are going to need the hints on Showdown, for example.

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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by ayrnieu » October 22nd, 2010, 3:51 am

Content Feedback wrote:(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
1. Medium (1.9.1)

2. 1. Super easy. His terrain advantage counts for nothing when he leaps over it to fight me. I killed him at turn 5.

5. There weren't any challenges. It's the last scenario in the campaign - so every unit becomes expendable and I can recruit without regard to upkeep. The central feature of the map just doesn't matter. Even if Raulsha wouldn't run out himself, his troops still will - so I could kill them with my built-up army and take my time moving around. If even they wouldn't run out, then all the map does is waste some turns while I move around to the north. (And after the "the orcs are murdering the trees!" talk earlier, Raulsha's own domain is a great forest.)

I really enjoyed the scenario overall; this scenario just doesn't seem as loved as the others.

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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by Mountain_King » April 14th, 2011, 12:17 am

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
1.9.5, Challenging, Irish translation
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
2 or thereabouts. It's the last scenario, I have 2 shydes, a druid or two, a loyal mage, two (or was it three?) enchantresses, one of which almost was a sylph. And what;s this? Free rangers and a rider? Nice 8)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear as orc blood in a forest river.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
It was nice.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
My carelessness lost me the rider and two of the rangers, but I didn't save-load for them. Oh yeah, and the "just shamans" thing, but I think that made it easier.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
8
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
None I can think of.
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
Nope. It was tempting after losing half my rangers, but I didn't go for it.
(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
Know it, but didn't look.

This campaign was really great for the shamans-only challenge. Nice and easy, a couple tricky spots, but very fun. Map design was superb, the story was nicely done as well.
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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by Faello » May 13th, 2011, 12:19 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?

Challenging (High Lord) - hardest difficulty level, 1.9.6, no saves/reloads, 208 starting gold

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

3.

Rualsha (Sovereign) has a potent force of 300gp troops of various level, but player using recall, together with allied ranger pack that comes under his control in this battle, has actually even more powerful army and can easily defeat orcish army in a pitched battle instead of assasinating Rualsha. I've finished this scenario in turn 8/24.

3 losses, 10 kills in this one.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?


Crystal clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?


Pretty good.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

Not to lose my veteran units (Unararand, my favoured elvish hero, lost his life in the fight with lvl2 troll)

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

8.

It's much better than most of this campaign scenarios, map is nice and idea of assasinating enemy leader suits the beginner's campaign purpose of teaching well - I really enjoyed it ^_^

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

Give Rualsha some reinforcements after a several turns and warn player about them. There's plenty of forest around to play "cath&run!" with orcs anyway, It would definitely make this scenario more interesting.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?

No.

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TOTAL Campaign Losses/Kills: 17 losses, 92 kills
CAMPAIGN SUMMARY: It's a 7/10 campaign, it serves it's "beginners training" purpose well, but for a more advanced players on it's top difficulty level, it might be slightly boring. Some scenarios are a bit too simple, some of them could be designed better. It's also quite short. Still An Orcish Incursion offers an nice opportunity to fight orcs on favourable for player terrain and is quite relaxing :)

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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by WanderingHero » June 1st, 2011, 1:45 pm

1) Normal
(2) 0. Ridiculosly easy and anticlimatic.. no stratergy beyond "rush enemy and win in 5 turns" was required.
(3) Crystal
(4) Clear and alright, but a bit anticlimatic. I lol'd at "I may be dead but my orcs will fight on" "but then the orcs ****ed off home instead*. I can't tell if that was good or bad funny
(5) Their was no challenge in this scenario......
(6) 1 Not that satsfying, ridiculously anticlimatic and lame epilogue.
(7) More orcs, more veterans, better ai
(8) Hell no


Despite the fact I thought this was a weak Scenario, overall it was a fun campaign with simple levels and a simple story. Maybe too simple.. but imo a magnifacant newbie campaign, and made me want to dive into more, while teaching me plenty about how to play Wesnoth.

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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by Giraffemonster » July 13th, 2011, 7:51 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?

This was played on Lord (Normal) on 1.9.7. No saves/reloads.

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

I would rate the difficulty at 4/10 by my standards (I'm pretty inexperienced). I started the scenario with around 215 gold, a bit less than your opponent on Normal, but then again, you are given four L2 Rangers and one L2 Rider. Furthermore, I had an Enchantress and a Shyde, as well around 5-6 other L2's available for recalling.

Part of what makes this mission easier, is the fact that there are many forests where the "main" battle takes place. It helps your troops last longer so that your rangers can ambush the enemy leader.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Crystal clear, defeat Rualsha.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

The dialogue is interesting, I liked the part at they end where a supporter unit states that the elves will have to become more accustomed to fighting if this keeps up. I don't know why, I just really liked that line.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

Bad streaks of luck resulted in losses of units/large amounts of HP. I used five of my six Rangers to ambush Rualsha, and the turn when they jumped him, they missed the majority of their attacks, but still got hit a couple of times.. That sort of got me nervous.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

8/10 would be a good peg. I liked the fact that in this scenario, as well as in other final scenarios, I can freely use my high level units and not feel bad about them dying. I also liked being able to use Rangers to ambush Rualsha.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

There isn't really much that I could add to this scenario. It's quite "polished" as it is.

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?

None

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?

I took a look at the .cfg file for this scenario, and found that the recruit list for Erlonas has ifdef conditions, even though they're all the same. Is there really a point to that? Hard difficulty just puts the Elvish Scout before all the other units, not sure why that's there. Maybe a comment line could be added before spawning the Rangers and the Rider, even though it's quite self explanatory.

Overall, this campaign was pretty fun for me. It's also a great beginner campaign. This was the first campaign I have completed with no save-loading whatsoever, as well as the second campaign I have completed on a difficulty which isn't the easiest.

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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by PorkSol » September 4th, 2011, 3:29 am

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on? Hard, 1.9.8, no save load
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10) 1. Deployed 3 additional rangers, ran north, baited leader, assassinated leader with rangers.
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives? Clear.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario? No complaints.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario? Making sure the leader didn't manage to run away.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10) 5. It's a neat idea and it makes sense for a novice campaign, but it's a bit anti-climactic to not even need to use my elite units that I'd been saving for the final showdown.
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun? Not all that much you can do, without losing the uniqueness of the scenario.
(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
Nope.
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Re: Scenario 7: Showdown

Post by CeltiK » January 30th, 2012, 11:23 pm

(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?
1.10.0; Hard no saves/reloads.

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
2. Poor Rualsha didn't have a chance.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Very clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
The epilogue is a bit... brutal. You kill Rualsha and it's over, nothing more.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
None.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7. A typical boss fight.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Actually it's too easy with all the reinforcements you get at the beginning of the scenario. I mean, 4 rangers and a rider is a LOT. Maybe just bring the rider alone who could say something like: "The reinforcements are on the way and will be there soon, shall we wait for them?" And Erlornas could answer: "No, Rualsha could see this as an opportunity to fall back, we must strike now before he escapes."

(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?
None.

(9) If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario is clear and well commented? If not which part would you like to be documented better?
Nothing special here.

Campaign Review:
An Orcish Incursion is a real novice campaign and it's also very relaxing. It's easy and you get the opportunity to learn how to play the elves and the importance of having the advantage of terrain, which is essential for beginners. All the maps are 1v1 and are very small but also very well designed, so you don't have the feeling that you're just fighting in a small empty arena. The campaign is short so the story is very simple and there's only one character, the second one coming only for 2 scenarios. One drawback that I can think of is that there is no variety in the objectives, they are all the same: defeat the enemy leader. But it's quite ok for a novice campaign.

Story and characters: 2/5; short campaign with only one character. Erlornas seems to be interesting though, he should come back for new adventures!

Interest and fun: 4/5; a very good campaign for first time players, could be a tutorial.

Map design: 4/5; only small 1v1 maps, but well made.

Overall difficulty: 5/5; it's aimed at beginners and for them, the campaign is well balanced.

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