[Historical] Campaign-Rebirth of the North

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Post by mlangsdorf » July 10th, 2006, 6:42 pm

Sorry, I know you're busy with SoBE, and I didn't mean to nag. Just feeling frustrated that I can't complete the final battle of the campaign.

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Post by Taurus » July 14th, 2006, 4:41 pm

Ok, if you are really that eager then do this, change BFW into windows mode, and then using the toolbar on the top go to the campaigns folder. (I think the path is something like: "data, user, campaigns". Open "Northern Rebirth - Scenarios" and then using a simple text editor such as simpletext or word pad, open up the scenario "showdown". Then scroll down untill you start seeing all the "side" tags. Reduce all their gold by about 50%. That should do the trick without throwing the ballance off too much (that is, if you reduce everyone's gold.)
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Post by KRCM » August 21st, 2006, 5:22 pm

Anyone played on normal difficulty ?

I have finished the first scenario quite easy but now I am in trouble in the second scenario. If there wasn't a turn limit it would be an everlasting game.

The way up (blue trolls) and down (green trolls) are impassable. The trolls keep on coming and all I can do is blocking there way. When I try to go through the middle it is real suicide. There are 2 undead armies and one troll army ...

I know that up there is a mage but I do not even get there. I have 4 (2nd level) archers ther that keep rotating the frontline 2 by 2 but I really do not get a hex foreward ...

Any tips ?
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Post by Taurus » August 25th, 2006, 2:22 am

KRCM wrote:Anyone played on normal difficulty ?

I have finished the first scenario quite easy but now I am in trouble in the second scenario. If there wasn't a turn limit it would be an everlasting game.

The way up (blue trolls) and down (green trolls) are impassable. The trolls keep on coming and all I can do is blocking there way. When I try to go through the middle it is real suicide. There are 2 undead armies and one troll army ...

I know that up there is a mage but I do not even get there. I have 4 (2nd level) archers ther that keep rotating the frontline 2 by 2 but I really do not get a hex foreward ...

Any tips ?
Actually, I discovered a bug in the difficulty coding. What happens is that when you try to play on "easy" you end up on normal, and if you try on "normal" you end up on hard. On hard the scenario is unplayable. So untill I get it fixed, i would reccomend that you select easy.

As far as stratagy goes, the key is to move very quickly before the trolls get a chance to "get to their feet". Also, recruit a mixture of thugs and poachers. The poachers are good at holding the line but they don't do much dammaga against the trolls because of their resistance to peirce. What I do is I use my thugs as "shock troopers" to knock a hole in the trolls and then move my poachers (or an undammaged thug) into the gap.
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Post by D.F. » August 25th, 2006, 8:36 am

Taurus wrote:Actually, I discovered a bug in the difficulty coding. What happens is that when you try to play on "easy" you end up on normal, and if you try on "normal" you end up on hard. On hard the scenario is unplayable. So untill I get it fixed, i would reccomend that you select easy.

As far as stratagy goes, the key is to move very quickly before the trolls get a chance to "get to their feet". Also, recruit a mixture of thugs and poachers. The poachers are good at holding the line but they don't do much dammaga against the trolls because of their resistance to peirce. What I do is I use my thugs as "shock troopers" to knock a hole in the trolls and then move my poachers (or an undammaged thug) into the gap.
Ah, NOW I understand why I was losing that way! There were just too many enemies for my taste...

Strategy: I actually arrived to the mage even on Hard. You have to send 2 ore 3 Fast units north in the first turns, to block the trolls so that the path to the mage (north-west) is free, as Taurus says. Another tip: don't recall Archers or Spearmen, as Poachers and Thugs are a lor more effective in the darkness. Taurus's tactic is good; you have to sacrifice some thugs to heavily damage the trolls when they attack you, if you want to advance to their leaders. You can then finish the enemies with Poachers or Thugs you want to level up.

However, even with the mage you can defeat the first troll leader north, and even the southern one with the above mentioned strategy, if you are lucky you can then take out both Death Knights (north and south) even if they have very good defensing positions, but later you end up in the skeletons-VS-trolls havoc in the central part of the map. I really suggest playing Easy (which is Normal) :D

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Post by KRCM » August 25th, 2006, 6:00 pm

I have tried a few times but I am going to restart on easy. On normal (hard with the bug) you really have no change to win before turn 40.

I tried in total 4 times. The best of them ended on turn 40 with the blue and green trolls wiped out, the dead knight behind green wiped out and whit me fighting a desparate battle in the centre, while I had sneeked a quick one to search the dwarves, but they seem to have lost the battle to ...

So my conclusion : It is impassble certainly without aid of the dwarves ...
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Typo in German translation of Northern Rebirth

Post by SkeletonCrew » September 16th, 2006, 10:08 am

In the following file
http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout ... o/po/de.po

search for first occurence of "Ro'Arthian and Ro'Sothian" the German translation is also
Ro'Arthian and Ro'Sothian instead of Ro'Arthian und Ro'Sothian

Another point is that I first posted it on http://bugs.wesnoth.org/
because in the file header it says
Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: http://bugs.wesnoth.org/

The bug was marked invalid because I had to post on the forum.

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Post by Taurus » September 16th, 2006, 7:33 pm

I am looking at the file but I don't see any bug. Mind you, I am pretty illiterate when it comes to the transalating aspect but if there is a problem it is my responsibility to fix it.

Also, Version 1.12 is ready. I will be uploading it on the server in a couple of minuits. It inculdes a new map for "Showdown", fixed the bugs that were breaking the levels, and the music, and one new music track for "Settling Disputes." I also went ahead and added some of the mainline music to a couple of the scenarios.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot, I updated the transalations too.
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Post by SkeletonCrew » September 17th, 2006, 7:08 am

http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout ... o/po/de.po

search for first occurence of "Ro'Arthian and Ro'Sothian" the German translation is also
Ro'Arthian and Ro'Sothian instead of Ro'Arthian und Ro'Sothian

I haven't looked at the new version yet, but the typo is still at the url in my previous message. The typo is; the word "and" isn't translated and should be translated with "und".

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Post by vonHalenbach » September 17th, 2006, 9:08 am

SkeletonCrew wrote:
http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout ... o/po/de.po

search for first occurence of "Ro'Arthian and Ro'Sothian" the German translation is also
Ro'Arthian and Ro'Sothian instead of Ro'Arthian und Ro'Sothian

I haven't looked at the new version yet, but the typo is still at the url in my previous message. The typo is; the word "and" isn't translated and should be translated with "und".
Hi SkeletonCrew!
Thank you for your input. We need people like you to point us to the errors in our translations. I will take care of the typo, you have mentioned. Next time you find an error in the german translation, please post your findings at: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GermanTranslationErrors

There are many more translations that need a review on the page:
http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GermanTranslation
Thank you
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Post by SkeletonCrew » September 17th, 2006, 9:33 am

Hi Stefan,

Could you also change the bug report location in the po-file to this location? That would really help me to send bugs to the proper location in 1 attempt :D.

Regards,
Mark

PS: German is not my native tongue; I'm still learning it... so reviewing translations will be difficult :wink:.

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Post by Sly » September 18th, 2006, 8:16 am

Taurus wrote:
KRCM wrote:Anyone played on normal difficulty ?

I have finished the first scenario quite easy but now I am in trouble in the second scenario. If there wasn't a turn limit it would be an everlasting game.

The way up (blue trolls) and down (green trolls) are impassable. The trolls keep on coming and all I can do is blocking there way. When I try to go through the middle it is real suicide. There are 2 undead armies and one troll army ...

I know that up there is a mage but I do not even get there. I have 4 (2nd level) archers ther that keep rotating the frontline 2 by 2 but I really do not get a hex foreward ...

Any tips ?
Actually, I discovered a bug in the difficulty coding. What happens is that when you try to play on "easy" you end up on normal, and if you try on "normal" you end up on hard. On hard the scenario is unplayable. So untill I get it fixed, i would reccomend that you select easy.

As far as stratagy goes, the key is to move very quickly before the trolls get a chance to "get to their feet". Also, recruit a mixture of thugs and poachers. The poachers are good at holding the line but they don't do much dammaga against the trolls because of their resistance to peirce. What I do is I use my thugs as "shock troopers" to knock a hole in the trolls and then move my poachers (or an undammaged thug) into the gap.
Hah I understand why it was so difficult :?

Played it 3 times before finishing it on turn 40 with luck. A hell of a scenario !

The 3rd was a piece of cake (and I got 2 rangers 8) )
The 4th was hard but doable, dwarves are very very usefull.

Just begun the 5th ... and I fear it'll be worse than the 2nd ... a lot of lvl2 and lvl3 undeads in cave :x

Maybe I'll restart in easy (because of the bug) if I cannot pass it

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Post by Taurus » September 18th, 2006, 7:54 pm

BTW, I fixed the bug in the latest version, as well as a few other things (music, a new map ect.). I am not sure how it will affect your savegame but I think it would be worth downloading and giving it a try. In any case, if you are going to restart, might as well restart with the new version.
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Post by Sly » September 19th, 2006, 9:19 am

Taurus wrote:BTW, I fixed the bug in the latest version, as well as a few other things (music, a new map ect.). I am not sure how it will affect your savegame but I think it would be worth downloading and giving it a try. In any case, if you are going to restart, might as well restart with the new version.
Ok :wink:

Although I'm going to restart only if I can't eventualy beat this level.
(and exploring I think I saw a white mage prisoner, so it may be easier than I first thought :D )

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Post by Sly » September 25th, 2006, 9:04 am

I beat it :D

(was kind of harsh, at a time I felt I wasn't progressing at all (-800 gold, all my lvl1 dead and was blocked in the right and left bottlenecks).

But with patience I slowly cut my way trhough this bag'o bones 8) .
The spiders were a naughty trap (and I had a harsh time when they escaped !!!). And the "pseudo immortality" of this blasted lich was unexpected and annoying :evil: (but it only worked once, the right way to kill him was obvious)

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