The Sceptre of Fire

[zookeeper]

Heh. You're not supposed to be able to kill the guy in the first scenario, so I didn't account for that possibility in the dialogue. But if people are doing so, I guess I'll have to.

I've killed him twice, once on the easiest difficulty and once on the medium one (I think). Both times it clearly appeared as the preferred method to me, although obviously an optional one.

[turin]

All right then. I've never been able to do so, not that I've tried particularly hard since I know it slightly breaks the campaign, so I assumed it would rarely if ever happen. I'll whip up a fix sometime soon. Shouldn't be difficult.

[friar tuck]

Both times it clearly appeared as the preferred method to me, although obviously an optional one.

Same for me (on medium==challenging). I was completely unable to protect the caravans if they took the main path, so I sent them directly north over the river.

Then again, they needed no protection at all because they were completely shielded by the loyalists and the elves didn't even think about crossing the river.

Then the greatest challenge turned out to be keeping Haldric alive because he was inevitably slaughtered by the elven reinforcement. So I sent all my dwarves directly south along the very eastern mountain range hoping to get the elves to return home and maybe follow me into the mountains.

But it turned out the dwarves arrived exactly when the elves were weakest (after the second day), but before the reinforcements arrived. What was more, the captain was so nice to step out of his keep to try and kill a dwarf who had stolen a village, so I could occupy his keep and he wasn't even able to recruit his reinforcements when they arrived. It was very fast from there on...

Maybe to prevent this part of the reinforcements could arrive in person and not in the form of extra gold?

[friar tuck]

1) Dropping second coal off in gathering materials does nothing, guessing it needs a first_time_only=no in the event.

Yep. This has been fixed since.

I'm playing the version included in the 1.3.3 release, and it's not fixed there.

(oops, just saw that the subject says that much )

Can I fix it myself?

Or should I do the "allow win by killing all leaders" thing?

btw, is it intended that green and blue are allies but pink is at war with both others?

[zookeeper]

Yep. This has been fixed since.

I'm playing the version included in the 1.3.3 release, and it's not fixed there.

(oops, just saw that the subject says that much )

Can I fix it myself?

Sure, just apply this change to the scenario. Then replay the scenario again from the very beginning. Or just simply :n to the next scenario after you should have won.

[RedLTeut]

After closing the gates in the 2nd scenario, there was one elf left outside of the caves, who also had to be killed even if he wasnt inside the caves as the objective suggested.

[friar tuck]

Sure, just apply this change to the scenario. Then replay the scenario again from the very beginning.

Great! That worked like a charm, thanks.

One more question: when the last material was delivered, the scenario ended, but without early finish bonus. So, to avoid a very small purse for the next scenario, I found myself killing the remaining enemy leaders and waiting until the turn limit ran out.

Maybe to avoid the rather lame waiting part, one could give an early finish bonus after all enemies have been killed?

[friar tuck]

After closing the gates in the 2nd scenario, there was one elf left outside of the caves, who also had to be killed even if he wasnt inside the caves as the objective suggested.

Same here. It seems there is at least one outside tile (for me it was nw of the main entrance, right near the wall) which is counted as inside.

Furthermore, I was astonished that the closing of the doors turned out to mean that the very first row of tiles of the cave (which I had considered to be clearly inside) is replaced by cave wall, crushing my complete front line including some freshly levelled units in the process.

I found it a bit unrealistic that the guard guy would say "wait, the doors will soon close" and my complete front line would take him so completely literal that they would stand still while the doors are coming down to smash them to goo instead of just stepping back into the cave.

Maybe there should be some kind of clear warning to vacate the cave entrance before activating the doors.

[friar tuck]

In scenario "Hills_of_the_Shorbear_Clan" when I fulfill the mission objectives I get no early finish bonus, which was especially bitter because I recruited a lot and had only just come out of negative gold score at turn 12 when I finished. otoh there is a huge number of villages on the map, so the bonus would have been a respectable 34 per turn...

I decided to go for the elf leader and as I killed him, the scenario ended (though I hadn't met the objectives) WITH a bonus.

Maybe this should be mentioned in the mission objectives.

btw, did I say thank you for this great campaign? I'm having great fun playing it. I love playing dwarves though I don't like thunderers and long for some kind of spell caster with a better ranged attack...

[Quaeckernaet]

I suppose the major bugs in this campaign have been taken care of. As a novice (I "discovered" Wesnoth only ten days ago) I passed the first scenarios without hiccups and they were good fun.

Gathering Materials is giving me some headaches however. The instruction isn't quite clear. I understand the idea behind it, which is that you let the trolls and the hoi polloi slug it out and only confront them when this is necessary with an eye to obtaining the minerals. That isn't too hard a mission, seeing that I have a Dwarvish Lord and some Steelclads and Baglur has Stalwart status. I am also aware that - if possible - I should postpone the final delivery to the final turn in order to rack up XP for my avatars.

But how many loads can a Dwarve Runesmith carry? I assume only one. And where exactly should the Runesmiths deliver the gold and coal? I assume at the wooden chest near the mine's entrance.

I am right? It wouldn't be a spoiler if someone gave me the answers, would it?

This being my first post, I have to say Wesnoth is a great game and this is a great forum, populated by the sort of dedicated and occasionally brilliant idiots who are the salt of this virtual earth.

[turin]

Oo. OK, the instructions are actually this - if they're unclear I'll have to fix them - recruit Dwarvish Miners, a special kind of unit that's only used in this scenario, and use them to get the materials. Each miner can only carry one load at a time, they pick up loads by moving onto the heaps of gold and coal, and deliver them by moving onto the chest in your home cavern.

[Quaeckernaet]

Oo. OK, the instructions are actually this - if they're unclear I'll have to fix them - recruit Dwarvish Miners, a special kind of unit that's only used in this scenario, and use them to get the materials. Each miner can only carry one load at a time, they pick up loads by moving onto the heaps of gold and coal, and deliver them by moving onto the chest in your home cavern.

I see. I am an idiot too, and not of the brilliant kind.

Great campaign so far, brother Turin. :bows:

[IB]

I seem to be having trouble with Towards the Caves. I really wish there were signposts to move to so I can tell where exactly I should move my leaders as trying every single hex is getting on my nerves.

EDIT: Oh, using the version that came with 1.3.3.

[Quaeckernaet]

I just finished the Gathering Mterials scenario. My third miner picked up the third load on turn 19. So I thought I had another eleven turns left to rack up my XP because those trolls are ideal canon fodder. But no, it was game over. Turin, you cheated me out of at least two Lords, two Steelclads and a Runemaster!

Just joking.

Now, once more into the breach!

[friar tuck]

I seem to be having trouble with Towards the Caves. I really wish there were signposts to move to so I can tell where exactly I should move my leaders as trying every single hex is getting on my nerves.

EDIT: Oh, using the version that came with 1.3.3.

This refers to a bug mentioned by mutilis. Signposts won't help here because the triggers are one too far south. For the northeasterly cave this would mean Rugnur has to step on the cave wall while Alanin can't reach the goal at all because it's off the map.

I've changed the coordinates in the WML in my copy and am going to replay the scenario. If it works, I'll post the change.