Faction Observations: Who's the strongest? Who's the best?

Lim-Dul · Post by **Lim-Dul** » March 6th, 2006, 3:46 pm

I'm speaking of version 1.1.1. And you mean you want to fight with me in MP? =) Well - sorry, no time for that now. =)

JW · Post by JW » March 6th, 2006, 3:52 pm

Lim-Dul wrote: Are Elves weak in melee? nope
Are Elves weak at ranged combat? you must be joking
Are Elves expensive? nope
Are Elves vulnerable to any type of damage? nope
Do Elves have bad defensive values? nope
Do Elves have fewer hps than other units? in most cases only a couple of hps less, or not even that
Are Elves slow? nope
Are Elves worse at a certain time of the day? nope
Maybe Elves can't heal themselves? nope, they can

Well - obviously there's something wrong with the balance if not a single question can be answered with "yes".

Let me add to your list:

Can Elves Backstab? Nope.
Can Elves get bonuses to attack according to the type of day? Rebels, yes, Elves, Nope.
Do Elves have Posion? Nope.
Do Elves Drain hp in attacks? Nope.
Do Elves resist any types of Damage? Nope.
Do Elves have high hp like the Drakes? Nope.
Do Elves have Charge? Nope.
Do Elves Regenerate? Nope.

Post by **Soliton** » March 6th, 2006, 3:53 pm

Lim-Dul wrote:I'm speaking of version 1.1.1. And you mean you want to fight with me in MP? =) Well - sorry, no time for that now. =)

Sorry, no time to discuss with you now.

Post by **Noyga** » March 6th, 2006, 3:54 pm

Lim-Dul wrote:
I didn't expect human archers to be better. I just didn't expect elvish archers to be THAT strong. Elves have good ranged attackers - fine by me - but what is their WEAKNESS then? I don't see any weakness - and that's the problem.
They have several weak points :
- Low HP
- Bad movetype (except in forest)

Drakes may have low DEF but compare their HP with the elves. (You can't play a drake army like an elf army or you will lose, you have to capitilize on their strong points. An elvish archer in forest is a terrible thing, but even that can be defeated if you take good care of your tribalists.)
That's exactly the type of answer I have expected. Now - then explain how you imagine beating a whole army composed of next to invincible archers hiding in forests?

- Try to avoid the forest
- Use unit with or a lot of strikes or magical strikes to counter high defense
Saurians and clashers eat rebels prettty well.

Post by **Doc Paterson** » March 6th, 2006, 10:18 pm

Lim-Dul wrote:I'm speaking of version 1.1.1. And you mean you want to fight with me in MP? =) Well - sorry, no time for that now. =)

After he beats you, I'm going to beat you at Wesnoth AND Magic: The Gathering. Simultaneously.

"The weak shall fall. The strong shall remain." -Lim-Dul, the Necromancer

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » March 6th, 2006, 11:33 pm

Doc Paterson wrote:"The weak shall fall. The strong shall remain." -Lim-Dul, the Necromancer

Don't listen to Lim-Dul! He also talks about turning himself into a flame, about trading blood for blood, and about how good dead guys are. I think he's pretty crazy.

Post by **Doc Paterson** » March 7th, 2006, 12:59 am

I'm very amused to see someone using that name.

Shadowdweller · Post by **Shadowdweller** » March 7th, 2006, 3:35 pm

Doc Paterson wrote:"Ring the bell, ref- I just broke his back with the Octopus Stretch-" -The Mandarin

Utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand, I know, but I've been meaning to ask you for some time, Doc: Who the hell is the Mandarin anyhow? Some manner of rap artist, I assume?

Lim-Dul · Post by **Lim-Dul** » March 7th, 2006, 4:25 pm

Well - I stopped playing MtG over 8 years ago. =) But the nickname remains - it's not very popular - even with the Magic players. Maybe because of the fact that Lim-Dul's "something" cards appeared mostly around the 4th edition and Ice Age.

Post by **Thrawn** » March 7th, 2006, 5:03 pm

Lim-Dul wrote:Well - I stopped playing MtG over 8 years ago. =) But the nickname remains - it's not very popular - even with the Magic players. Maybe because of the fact that Lim-Dul's "something" cards appeared mostly around the 4th edition and Ice Age.

heh, funny-I began playing MtG since the beginning (ie, Kindergarten), and so I actually get this stuff...

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » March 7th, 2006, 8:37 pm

I prefer things like:

"Your presumption is your downfall"

or

Ã¢â‚¬Å“Home is where you can find a decent graveyard and strangers can disappear without awkward questions.Ã¢â‚¬?

And Gerrard's bitterness and vengefulness.

Post by **Noy** » March 7th, 2006, 9:43 pm

Doc Paterson wrote:
Lim-Dul wrote:I'm speaking of version 1.1.1. And you mean you want to fight with me in MP? =) Well - sorry, no time for that now. =)

After he beats you, I'm going to beat you at Wesnoth AND Magic: The Gathering. Simultaneously.

"The weak shall fall. The strong shall remain." -Lim-Dul, the Necromancer

Buahahhaa, THATS where its from! I knew that name sounded familiar.
I still have my old White Heroes deck from ages ago... a couple of crusades and White Knights and the game was over.

Post by **Thrawn** » March 7th, 2006, 10:26 pm

Noy wrote:
Doc Paterson wrote:
After he beats you, I'm going to beat you at Wesnoth AND Magic: The Gathering. Simultaneously.

"The weak shall fall. The strong shall remain." -Lim-Dul, the Necromancer

Buahahhaa, THATS where its from! I knew that name sounded familiar.
I still have my old White Heroes deck from ages ago... a couple of crusades and White Knights and the game was over.

How about not getting this thread off topic--instead a mod. can split it to OT, right?

Post by **Noy** » March 7th, 2006, 10:48 pm

Umm I am a mod... trust me, that was all I was going to say on the matter. (its not like I want to play that up by any means)

Moreover, as I said in similar threads, no one faction is "better" than another. That would make "balancing" somewhat redundant.

Post by **Thrawn** » March 7th, 2006, 10:53 pm

Noy wrote:Umm I am a mod... trust me, that was all I was going to say on the matter. (its not like I want to play that up by any means)

Moreover, as I said in similar threads, no one faction is "better" than another. That would make "balancing" somewhat redundant.

Sorry, but I was talking about the converstaion in general, as it was completely OT. I think i've been around long enough to realize your amod, but mods are still humans, and thus ca get caught up in something without realizing it.