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Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby oaq » January 5th, 2018, 1:18 am

At hard difficulty, can Heir to the Throne be won without scenario restarts? If you lose a scenario, it's permadeath: you go back to the beginning—not of the scenario—but of the campaign. That is the challenge.

Four years since my first attempt, I have done it.

Has it been done before? By whom?

The style of play is interesting. The style forces one to value mandatory companions like Delfador more than other loyal units. Moreover, the style promotes sound operational plans that have high chances of success.

Replays can be posted if demanded.
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby max_torch » January 5th, 2018, 4:51 pm

i would like to look at your replays and see the way you played. What version of wesnoth do they have to be viewed on?

Dugi made an "unforgiving hardcore mod" which forces a player to play without any loading and restarting. It's in the add-ons list. You could try to use the said add-on when you undertake another campaign.
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby oaq » January 5th, 2018, 7:53 pm

I would like to look at your replays and see the way you played.


The 24 replays, bundled into a TAR file, are attached. (If the format is inconvenient, please advise.)

Note: a permadeath player plays early scenarios more often than late. Therefore, the replays may show more skill early than late.

What version of wesnoth do they have to be viewed on?


I played them on 1.12.6.

Thank you for the information re the "unforgiving hardcore mod."

(Note to Wesnoth beginners: the replays are spoilers, posted at an experienced player's request; as a beginner, you probably don't want to review the replays. However, should you review a given replay, anyway, to help you to pass a particular scenario, you could observe that much of my play is opportunistic. For example, the first scenario's recruits are not a finely balanced selection of forces but are the result of my looking strategically for certain traits toward future scenarios; and, indeed, I would probably recruit a different mix of units next time I played the first scenario, depending on the traits of my other recruits; so, by reviewing the replay one can misinterpret the plan insofar as part of the plan is to recruit not only units but traits. Likewise, the times and places at which attacks are launched, or defenses erected, during some later scenarios depend on when and where the foe seems relatively weak. Therefore, were you inclined to model your play on mine, you could do so with respect to general principles but maybe not with respect to particular details.)
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby max_torch » January 9th, 2018, 1:05 pm

I've been watching the replays and I'm now at "The Lost General". I had to pause and comment here and say:
Spoiler:
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby oaq » January 10th, 2018, 6:36 pm

@max_torch:
Spoiler:
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby Inky » January 17th, 2018, 8:27 pm

Wow, that's some real dedication, congratulations! 8) I just finished looking through the replays, very interesting and informative! Great tactics and experience management.

One scenario which I would have done differently is Siege of Elensefar - I think it's better to hold the water's edge and destroy the enemies in the moat, because retreating lets them take all of your southern villages and you lose a lot of gold that way.

My favorite was the Valley of Death replay - I was wondering how you were going to deal with that massive horde of wraiths, but you managed to avoid that problem entirely :eng: I wouldn't say that your strategy relied on the RNG, because with all your elvish sorceress units I think it would have been fine even if the leader assassination didn't work.

It must have been really tense in the later scenarios, I got nervous just watching some of the more unlucky moments! I think you could have avoided much of the risk by keeping your leaders out of the battle if at all possible, since you have so many other powerful units to fight with. I definitely would have left that giant spider alone in Plunging into the Darkness, as the extra gold isn't necessary and that fight is based entirely on RNG. I also personally would have gone for the Void armor (the swamp of dread route in A Choice Must be Made) instead of the flaming sword, as that armor would have made one of the leaders practically invincible.

One thing that surprised me about your playstyle was the lack of healers - in most scenarios you only used one +8 healer and sometimes you didn't use any at all! I think you would have had a much easier time and avoided many of the close calls if you had used two +8 healers every scenario.

This is a nice illustration of how Wesnoth is more about strategy than luck. I'd love to see summaries/replays of any future challenges you attempt!
Commented playthroughs with screenshots:
Let's Play Dead Water, Let's Play Invasion from the Unknown and Let's Play After the Storm (in progress)
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby Crow_T » January 17th, 2018, 10:23 pm

I remember following the original attempt, and was like WHAAAAT oaq is at is again? when I saw this thread. I look forward to watching a master player make it through HttT in one go :)
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Re: Heir to the Throne hard permadeath victory

Postby max_torch » Yesterday, 1:28 pm

OMG oaq we've already been talking to each other way back 2011 in the forum:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=38378#p564188

oaq wrote:I do not know how to reach a satisfactory result at The Valley of Death without relying on the RNG

That's what I didn't know as well until the replay Velensk made:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=38378#p564190

Both of the above links are from the same thread :)
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