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Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby The_Gnat » November 17th, 2017, 8:04 pm

I want to proceed to a very specific situation, but before i do that i was wondering what units are recommended when it is Elves vs. Northerners and the map has not much forest. The reason i ask is because i am wondering (generically) if anyone thinks the Elves can beet the Northerners in a situation like this. Are there certain units that you think the elves could purchase that would allow the elves to have a even battle where tactics determine the winner.

The reason i ask is because in an era i have made i have a slight variation elves vs. northerners (which i will describe in more detail soon) and i am wondering if the unbalance is in my era or if the elves start with a serious disadvantage if they do not have forest?

I look forward to hearing your suggestions and comments :D
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Re: Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby _Queen_ » November 17th, 2017, 8:38 pm

I've heard: elves on flat equals death elves. Elves have low HP and without terrain which would give them high defence they are easy targets. Maybe at day that won't mean a lot, because this is the moment when elves should attack and leave better terrain, but at night they will have nowhere to hide.

Bonne defense in such a situation would be using slower, cheaper and with good melee attack Fighters, but still they will die fast. Shamans and Archers can hide behind or run. But if they will be caught on flat, two Grunts can easly take them down.
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Re: Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby ElderofZion » November 17th, 2017, 10:09 pm

Yes, they can. Forest is not a must for the elves for them to be able to win. It is rather a buff to elves (maybe saurians a bit too), a boon that is not usually necessary for them to have a chance. That is a general answer.
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Re: Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby The_Gnat » November 17th, 2017, 10:15 pm

ElderofZion wrote:Yes, they can. Forest is not a must for the elves for them to be able to win. It is rather a buff to elves (maybe saurians a bit too), a boon that is not usually necessary for them to have a chance. That is a general answer.


Okay, good to know. I personally was unable to beet the orcs with the elves. What units do you recommend?

_Queen_ wrote:I've heard: elves on flat equals death elves. Elves have low HP and without terrain which would give them high defence they are easy targets. Maybe at day that won't mean a lot, because this is the moment when elves should attack and leave better terrain, but at night they will have nowhere to hide.


Thanks for responding, yes that is what i have experienced also. I will try again with more melee high hp units and see what i can do. :)
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Re: Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby ElderofZion » November 17th, 2017, 10:48 pm

A lot of fighters mainly, you can also add 1 or 2 archers later, and a mage or 2 if you have to retake your village of if you want to attack later
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Re: Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby Poison » November 18th, 2017, 2:15 am

Imho (having played just sp and observed mp only) fighters fare rather well on flat, but the rest of the units, not so much. The orcish archer would probably be better on flat than the elvish one because he is cheaper and will also get the strong and resillient traits more often (since he doesn't have dextrous -both better traits for defense). I'm kinda in the middle between you guys, the forest in not just a buff, they kinda need it, but it's not the end of the world if they not have it. I would go with fighter spam too btw.
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Re: Elves vs. Orcs on a map without much forest

Postby The_Gnat » November 18th, 2017, 4:14 am

Poison wrote:Imho (having played just sp and observed mp only) fighters fare rather well on flat, but the rest of the units, not so much. The orcish archer would probably be better on flat than the elvish one because he is cheaper and will also get the strong and resillient traits more often (since he doesn't have dextrous -both better traits for defense). I'm kinda in the middle between you guys, the forest in not just a buff, they kinda need it, but it's not the end of the world if they not have it. I would go with fighter spam too btw.


ElderofZion wrote:A lot of fighters mainly, you can also add 1 or 2 archers later, and a mage or 2 if you have to retake your village of if you want to attack later


Okay thank you! It is great to get feedback (and so quickly!) :D I will tell you how it turns out after i have played a few different maps.
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