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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by Wintermute » February 5th, 2009, 3:48 pm

something about playing a "challenge" on "easy" doesn't sit well with me... The very fact that you would even *think* about killing leaders on DD amuses me... try it again on hard. :wink:
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by HomerJ » February 5th, 2009, 7:39 pm

Wintermute wrote:something about playing a "challenge" on "easy" doesn't sit well with me... The very fact that you would even *think* about killing leaders on DD amuses me... try it again on hard. :wink:
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by TheJM » February 5th, 2009, 10:06 pm

wait, people try to beat all the leaders on DD? O_O

I've never even bothered to try. :P

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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by HomerJ » February 5th, 2009, 10:27 pm

TheJM wrote:wait, people try to beat all the leaders on DD? O_O

I've never even bothered to try. :P
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by zookeeper » February 23rd, 2009, 9:48 pm

I now completed what I first attempted over a year ago: TRoW (on hard, of course), recruiting only mages. I was a bit surprised at how not-incredibly-difficult the Great Continent part of the campaign was actually, it's probably due to the less aggressive AI and the new gold carryover system.

I didn't refrain from saveloading entirely, but I don't feel like I heavily abused it either. I didn't saveload the exact same situation in order to get better rolls, just several times loaded from the previous autosave when I lost someone particularly important and usually then tried to play the turn again better. So I'm sure it's a challenge that can be done even without any mid-scenario loading by a slightly more skilled player.

And actually it was the first time I've completed TRoW at all! Previously I've always stopped around The Vanguard, Return of the Fleet or The Dragon due to dropping to minimum gold and getting frustrated with that.

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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by Wintermute » February 23rd, 2009, 10:01 pm

nice work! Do you have some replays?

I've never gone all the way through TroW either, though I have tried it a few times, and gotten pretty far in 2 of them, there is always something crazy that happens - a new version makes me abandon it, or I lose a scenario and then abort the whole thing (for a while I was such a hardcore anti-saver that I would restart a campaign if I ever lost a scenario, but I don't have time for such things these days)... whatever. But now that I know it can be done with *mages*, I guess I better try again... :oops: :wink:
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by silent » February 24th, 2009, 5:47 am

Even though it probably isn't very impressive, only on medium and very specific, I was proud of this

In the Rise of Wesnoth scenario, the troll hole, for no apparent reason, I recruited a peasant. About turn 18-22 of the level, I had advanced him to a halberdier.

Perhaps you could make challenges like that in particular points of the campaign. A worthy reward for the challenge too.

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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by The Great Rings » March 2nd, 2009, 5:20 am

These are some interesting ideas, but I'm afraid I'm not good enough a player to try taking on extra challenges yet. :wink:

I did try playing through Heir to the Throne, while not recruiting past the first scenario (can't remember weather I recalled units that I picked up in the later scenarios). I recruited two fighters, two shamans, and two archers, and made it as far as the Siege of Elensfara. I took out the orc leader I think, but the undead killed me. :(
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by turin » March 3rd, 2009, 8:00 am

zookeeper wrote:I now completed what I first attempted over a year ago: TRoW (on hard, of course), recruiting only mages. I was a bit surprised at how not-incredibly-difficult the Great Continent part of the campaign was actually, it's probably due to the less aggressive AI and the new gold carryover system.
Orly? Maybe I should re-try it then. I've never actually finished TRoW either - stopped on the 3rd or 2nd from last scenario, IIRC, just got frustrated with it and didn't keep the saves.
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by csarmi » March 10th, 2009, 10:54 am

Win the Son of the Black Eye campaign recruiting wolves only.

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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by thespaceinvader » March 10th, 2009, 12:05 pm

The only scenario i'd see a massive problem with there would be a Clash of Armies, where trolls are pretty much a necessity to hold the bridge, and Coming Home, where you play in part as Gruu and can only recruit troll whelps. And woudl you allow recalls or not?

SotBE past scenario 2 only recuiting trolls could eb interesting...
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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by HomerJ » March 10th, 2009, 12:22 pm

thespaceinvader wrote:SotBE past scenario 2 only recuiting trolls could eb interesting...
Uh-uh, I'll give that a try! On easy for starters to see if I leads somewhere... :lol2:



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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by csarmi » March 11th, 2009, 8:02 am

Well, honestly, I got killed on scenario1 3/3 times so far on the Wolves for Black-Eye challenge. It looks pretty tough, or at least very dependant on AI recruits. Two out of three times my enemy recruited mass cavalry with a few fencers for start (like 8 horses or so), then kept spamming spearmen. I was helpless. All those horses prevented me taking over the map, then the spearmen arrived just in time to consolidate his villages (and take my advance fort).

Seriously, I dont know how I should continue.

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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by HomerJ » July 6th, 2009, 12:36 pm

I guess you could also consider it a challenge to play through NR loosing all your loyal units first time possible (mainly Krash and the Elvish druid will be a pain) although of course it should be possible to finish the campaign.
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Edit: Hm, I'm having trouble now, I won the first three scenarios but couldn't manage to level up Tallin. And now it's beginning of Pursuit and what do I get (auto recalls) to kill the two revenants to even get to my keep? Tallin (peasant), a thunderer not close to leveling and a lvl2 human archer. Great, so I guess thats it?


Edit2: After having to cheat because of the above issue, I got it to work smoothly. See my comments on bugs/issues with dialog here.

I've got the replays in a zip if anybody is interested. Interestingly, Showdown wasn't a problem at all, also Eastern Fortress was quite ok without drakes. You definitely need to shine on Infested Caves, if you cannot accumulate decent amount of gold your screwed.

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Re: Campaign challenges

Post by scorchgeek » July 17th, 2009, 6:25 pm

silent wrote:Even though it probably isn't very impressive, only on medium and very specific, I was proud of this

In the Rise of Wesnoth scenario, the troll hole, for no apparent reason, I recruited a peasant. About turn 18-22 of the level, I had advanced him to a halberdier.

Perhaps you could make challenges like that in particular points of the campaign. A worthy reward for the challenge too.
How did you give him enough kills? Looks possible, but crazy. I'm assuming he was intelligent, which gives him -20% XP required to advance. I don't know which way the modifier rounds, and I don't have access to the game right now to check, but some basic calculations gives me 103-105XP required to do that.

This means 26 L0 kills (impossible), 13 L1 kills, and/or 7 L2 kills. Given how dangerous trolls can be, and how many powerful enemies there are in the scenario, that must have been one active (and lucky) peasant!
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