Counter Units

Glowing Fish · Post by **Glowing Fish** » November 1st, 2006, 10:08 pm

Elvish Pillager wrote:
Glowing Fish wrote:Nope, because it doesn't have a ranged attack.
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's weak to any particular unit. Usually, it can just bash ranged attackers in melee - they have lower retaliation to make up for their ranged damage.

I agree that the entire Dwarvish Fighter line is harder to counter than many. I would say that there is no unit you would automatically go to if your opponent recruits lots of Dwarvish Fighters.

Xandria · Post by **Xandria** » November 2nd, 2006, 8:05 am

Hm. The ghost does a decent job at foiling dwarvish fighters, and the orc assassin likewise: dwarves have a hard time withdrawing, and don't have a healer. Plus, there are not as many mountains on most maps, meaning that when you drive him from a mountain with poison, you can place something on it as to prevent him from returning, such as a troll.

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » November 2nd, 2006, 2:24 pm

It reminds me "The Northern Rebirth" campaign - the mission "Clearing the Mines" . You are playing against 4(!!) Draugs + Malifor (demilich? maybe something even more horrible...). Fortunately you are allowed to recruit dwarves.
If you recruit cca. 8 full castles of dwarves, you are able to hold all two frontlines. And if you recall your veteran dwarves (Steelclads, Lords or Thunderguards, Dragonguards), it's fairly easy to prevail.....

Xeron_ · Post by **Xeron_** » November 2nd, 2006, 2:27 pm

thunderguards are hard to counter - they got high resistances, high defence values, decent health and deal good melee as well as ranged damage.

- they are unrelieable attackers, but their return damage as awesome

Glowing Fish · Post by **Glowing Fish** » November 2nd, 2006, 6:41 pm

Thunderguards can be countered by Woses, Heavy Infantry or Skeleton Archers. Or, less so, by Skeletons.

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » November 5th, 2006, 10:08 am

Removed the irrelevant argument on Thunderers.

JW · Post by JW » November 5th, 2006, 1:18 pm

Glowing Fish wrote:Thunderguards can be countered by Woses, Heavy Infantry or Skeleton Archers. Or, less so, by Skeletons.

And Trolls.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » November 26th, 2006, 11:45 pm

although i play 1.0.2 (i'll download 1.2 when it comes out) the pikeman should have 40% resistance to pierce, nullifying the thunderer's 18-1 ranged,
while (assuming it is a neutral time of day) doing 8-3 and taking only 6-2. If he's on grassland, he's burnt toast.

Xandria · Post by **Xandria** » November 27th, 2006, 9:01 am

THe only problem is that when we're speaking of Pikemen, then the level 2 dwarvish shooter is the Thunderguard, with a 28-1 ranged. So the Pikeman will take 17-1 shots, and some 6-3 (?) in melee. Ouch.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » November 27th, 2006, 10:30 pm

alright, maybe i was wrong about the pikeman...

but a good counter for the thunderer should be the ulfserker. and the thunderer's 18-1 ranged shouldn't matter- the ulfserker's greater movement means it will attack 1st and should win. (this is suggesting that you weakened the thunderer with fighters first)

Glowing Fish · Post by **Glowing Fish** » November 29th, 2006, 11:18 pm

What is the counter unit for the Dwarven Guard line?

5dPZ · Post by **5dPZ** » November 29th, 2006, 11:47 pm

Glowing Fish wrote:What is the counter unit for the Dwarven Guard line?

wose.... or simply ignore them

it's often good idea to let them attack u and getting weakend by counter attacks first before you take a shot at him. since steadfast only works during defence.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » November 30th, 2006, 12:43 am

anything that resists pierce.

HI would be a good counter, as dwarves have no efficent way to get rid of them.

Post by **Zhukov** » November 30th, 2006, 1:00 am

Glowing Fish wrote:What is the counter unit for the Dwarven Guard line?

Prettymuch anything that uses fire or cold. Preferably with magic attached.

Martinus · Post by **Martinus** » November 30th, 2006, 1:26 am

Old topic - how to counter HI with dwarves? They usually kinda get smashed, and HI has get high resistance to thunderers (Which hit most of times - but not all).