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Post by Darth Fool » December 11th, 2006, 7:53 pm

A quick comment on the scales. You have drawn them laid out with perfectly straight lines except at the edges. While the lines of the individual scales can be straight, the scales should not be lined up in that way. This gives the impression that the scales are all in a plane and perfectly flat. At the very least, you should have some curvature to them to give the impression that the dwarf's chest is more cylindrical. I don't know if you need to go into more detail than just cylindrical, but to give it a 3d appearance that is the minimum.

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Post by Taurus » December 11th, 2006, 11:37 pm

Nice! Hey, if you are feeling enthuastic about dwarves, perhaps you can do Stalrag as well. If he is good enough then he may even be included in the mainline, as he also features in HttT.
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Post by Jetrel » December 12th, 2006, 3:12 am

:? Listen, you MUST break their poses out of the horizontal plane.

It looks really amateur to have them facing the screen head-on, like a "mug shot" photograph taken by police.

It's much harder to do it that way, but it looks much better.

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Post by gdou » December 12th, 2006, 9:13 am

You are drawing much better than I could do.

Just a quick comment on the new drarf with the hammer. Just to make it even better.

Taking as hypothesis that the dwarf is posing for a photo, his right arm does not look good. I think that it is because nobody would wear the hammer like that. All the weight of the weapon is on this left arm. So the guy would put the head of the hammer the closest as possible to his torso (in order to minimize the lever effect with gravity). So, I think his left arm should be bend, so that is hand is close to his shoulder, and his elbow is close to his hip. The handle of the hammer would then not be horinzontal anymore...

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Post by battlesquid » December 12th, 2006, 10:14 am

SkeletonCrew:
Yep, the shield looks too new. I have left it that way because I might add some logo to it - in case Taurus wants that.

The hammer arm has a few issues, I'll work on that as well as the hammer itself.

Darth Fool:
Yeah I guess I could add a slight curve across the torso, though it was my intention to make their armor seem a bit rigid and inflexible. That would allow the armor not to curve much. I used the below image as reference.

Taurus:
Sure, I'll finish Hamel first though.

Jetryl:
You're right, I keep forgetting about that. I'm considering whether I should do that in this particular picture, as doing so would require me to start over... Hopefully in either case it will stick until next time I start on a sketch :roll:
What do you think, should I start over with these guards?

gdou:
I'm not sure I see what you mean, but here is the reference shot that I'm using for that sketch
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Post by Maeglin Dubh » December 12th, 2006, 5:33 pm

Put a ten pound weight on the business end of the staff your girlfriend there is holding, and you'll see his point.
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Post by Sgt. Groovy » December 12th, 2006, 10:03 pm

Guard 1 looks more like a puffy human than a dwarf. Broader chest and shoulders, and shorter neck would help.
I'm considering whether I should do that in this particular picture, as doing so would require me to start over...
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Post by troodon » December 13th, 2006, 3:01 am

I think the portraits of Rakhshas and of Stalrag are excellent the way they are right now, in version 1.5 of Northern Rebirth, and they should not be modified.

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Post by gdou » December 13th, 2006, 10:27 am

battlesquid, sorry if my post wasn't so clear.

Maeglin Dubh has well understood my point. The fondamental difference between the hammer of your drwarf and the stick, is that the stick is balanced by construction, which is not the case of hammers ...

try to hold the same way a big sledgehammer, you will feel putting a lot more effort on the left arm than on the right ... So, naturally, you will try to equilibrate it by blending your left arm.

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Post by Taurus » December 14th, 2006, 6:59 am

troodon wrote:I think the portraits of Rakhshas and of Stalrag are excellent the way they are right now, in version 1.5 of Northern Rebirth, and they should not be modified.
I think they are good too, but the problem is that they are not Wesnoth specific. Rather they are images I found on the internet, and asked the artist if I could use them. If Northern Rebirth ever goes mainline - which some people are saying it should these days - they will have to be replaced.

Oh, and battlesquid, I actually could use those other dwarf pictures if you compleate them :-)
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Post by battlesquid » December 19th, 2006, 5:53 pm

Maeglin Dubh:
I see what he means, but I wanted him to look battleready, not just letting the arm hang down weighted by the hammer, rather holding it up with his muscles..

Sgt. Groovy:
Good comparison. I'll probably do them over again later as I do want to get better at drawing.

gdou:
I see what you mean, and you're right unless he is flexing his muscles holding the axe up that way.

Taurus:
I'll work more on those guards later, meanwhile here's Hamel in color.

Comment on colors welcome.
Note that I have not shaded anything except the axe gold plate (a bat)
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Post by Maeglin Dubh » December 19th, 2006, 10:12 pm

I think he was proposing the hammer be held thusly....
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Which, when I think about it, is about the same pose your current Dwarf is in. So think about how he would look if he held the axe perpendicular to the ground.
Which, when I think about it, is about the same pose your current Dwarf is in. So think about how he would look if he held the axe perpendicular to the ground.
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Post by Krispos » December 19th, 2006, 11:47 pm

Hehe... my foam broad sword weighs five pounds. I realize that's not a lot considering claymores weighed about 50-70 lbs (no one even suggest they weighed more, because if they did, then you find someone to go out and pick up a 100lb dumbell and swing it with the skill of a claymore.) But they do horrible things to your arms when they clash. In other words, they're decently weighted (hence the pain/realism ratio ;) Five pounds of ducttape/foam slamming into your forearms is not fun)
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Post by zookeeper » December 19th, 2006, 11:47 pm

Split the axe grip discussion to http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14374.

Krispos, you may want to repost what you just said there.

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Post by Krispos » December 19th, 2006, 11:50 pm

Thanks, I wondered why, when I went to look at my post, the discussion was gone before it ;)
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