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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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New angels:
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They look very similar, I know, but...
Missing the line of scouts and that of fighter with a heavy shield (from the infanteer).
I think about a "vouge" or "bardiche" for the tank unit. Sorry the words are french. I don't know the english name. You can see what about I speek here: http://www.armedia.fr/boutique/index.ph ... df127ee4a4. So, I think a lvl2 with a short handle, and lvl3 with a normal weapon.

Incidentally, if anyone can tell me the English name for vouge and bardiche, I'm interested.
I am also looking for the English name of "glaive". In French it is a short sword, typically that of the Romans (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... P8T86NAmTA). I know that in English "glaive" means a heavy hast weapon (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... -SuW5-kEs3). It is also a medieval weapon, but very different.

The scout handling wind and has no weapon.

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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I'm not a great expert on weaponry, so there may be a technical term that I don't know - but personally I would call the bardiche a halberd.
The Roman short-sword is a gladius. I can't help with the vouge, as I have never heard of it before and from the image you linked to, I can't actually work out what it is. If the part in the picture is attached to a long pole, it's probably another halberd (the word 'halberd' could include many different weapons - as far as I know, English does not have many specific terms for different types of pole-weapons. In fact, we tend to use French names if we don't have one of our own)
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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Bardiche is... Bardiche.
And vouge is apparently a misspelling - it seems proper word is voulge, but I guess it could be called glaive since more players will be possibly familiar with the term, and differences aren't as striking as "halberd versus berdiche".
And more generic term to refer to this kind of weapons would be "polearm" (or ""pole axe" for the ones with axe blade), halberd is very specific weapon that is most similar in use to spear or pike.

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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It seems that there are several forms of voulge. Some with the blade in the alignment of the handle as a glaive and other with the blade on the side as a bardiche. It is better that I speak of bardiche since it is a blade on the side I want. (In either case, I would tall glaive.)
A halberd is a specific weapon (and not a tool used as a weapon), always very long, which cut as sting. This is the weapon of loyalist halbardier and drake arbiter.
Polearm is the generic name of all these weapons to longer or shorter handle, including spears, "armes d'hast" in French. This is the name I gave at the weapon of my celest "polearmer"!!! who uses perforating.

I found this: http://gallery.burrowowl.net/index.php? ... /28561.jpg

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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I come back to the graphic aspect.
I thought about togas for the highest levels of angels. But that is wrong with the warlike of these angels. Those who go on the battlefields are in armor. And if I put them in a toga (or tunic or otherwise) over the armor, it would reduce their golden appearance and especially their aspect of powerful warriors.
However, I can increase amount of tissue without much cover the armor pieces. So I lengthened the skirt (and the armor on the hips) for levels 2. (And adjust to lengthen of the legs of the upper level)
I thought to put a cap at levels 3 but I do not know if it will work. :doh:
On the other hand, maybe a diadem that is used at a partial helmet. :hmm:

But about the dress of levels 3, I ask myself a question. I do not know what is best: with or without the gold band (between the two magenta edgings)?
Which do you prefer?
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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francophone wrote:But about the dress of levels 3, I ask myself a question. I do not know what is best: with or without the gold band (between the two magenta edgings)?
Which do you prefer?
The difference is very subtle.

But I have other comments:
1. What are the white hammer-shaped things, some form of wing?
2. Maybe you could change the colors of the skin and armor, so they are not so similar.
3. The shadow of the angel's left wing (our right) doesn't look correct, you can probably just erase it.
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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doofus-01 wrote:The difference is very subtle.
Yes, but we must choose.
doofus-01 wrote:1. What are the white hammer-shaped things, some form of wing?
Yes.
doofus-01 wrote:2. Maybe you could change the colors of the skin and armor, so they are not so similar.
No. I want their golden skin. I had also planned to make a version with very pale skin and black hair and feathers (see the sprites on previous messages) But I do not know if I do or not.
So yes skin color and armor is very similar. But I want them like that.
doofus-01 wrote:3. The shadow of the angel's left wing (our right) doesn't look correct, you can probably just erase it.
You speak of the shadow under the wing and not on it ?
I wonder if I have not misunderstood an earlier remark on the shade of the same wing.
I will fix it.

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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The shade is it better ?
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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i guess the earlier remark was mine?
the more detailed version would sound like this:

the red lines are same length while they should not be (because left wing should be foreshortened).

the green lines are not the same length while they should be (because viewer expects the wings to be same height from ground).

also, the viewer will most probably expect the wings to be symmetrical, unless there is a strong reason to expect otherwise.
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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The wings are on a vertical plane so they must have the same horyzontale length. And shadows should be at the same height of the wings. They are far away. :(
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I watched the projected shadow of different units. Often the shadow is pretty simple. The wings of drakes do not project shade.
The shadow of my angels are too wide, especially that of levels 1. I'm going to redo all.

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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i see, so the shadow should just be along the lower red line on the ground.

the shadow of body might also need to align with the red line, then?
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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homunculus wrote:i see, so the shadow should just be along the lower red line on the ground.
Yes !
homunculus wrote:the shadow of body might also need to align with the red line, then?
Yes again !

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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The light for sprites is not a harsh spotlight being shoved on top of the sprite's head, the wing shadows do not need the faithful detail you are trying t give it - it makes it look odd. Mainline shadows are kind of sloppy, but they look OK because they stick to the important mass.
francophone wrote:doofus-01 wrote:
1. What are the white hammer-shaped things, some form of wing?

Yes.
They look very odd, I'm not sure what to suggest. Maybe scrap the strange hammer things (they don't look like wings to me) and make the upper wings bigger with each level.
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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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New version of auxiliary wings:
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Scout lvl 1 (messenger) and lvl 2 (herald). I don't think it can evolve on lvl 3
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With new shadow and old wings

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Re: Another version of demons and angels

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The new auxiliary wings look better. Maybe try to get rid of the diagonal shaft of the closer one, make it less clean and straight. It looks like a rod or handle right now.
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