New Faction: The Saracens
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New Faction: The Saracens
Greetings
Last october I had a little brainwave that I wanted to create a new faction based on the armies of the Caliphate in the 11th~12th Century. Over the past couple months the Mp Devs and Xan have been working on this project and we thought that we would unveil what we have on it.
Up front, we would like this faction to be added into the mainline default.... and have balanced the units to that effect. We've created units that are both unique and interesting to play with. This faction's theme will be that it does not have magic, but a clever balance of units that will enable it to fight the other default factions.
Some standouts include:
A true horse archer
A lvl1 healer
a true mixed fighter (equal ranged and melee attack)
A markmanship melee heavy fighter
And a couple of other ideas.
So to start off here are the lvl 1 and 2s stats of the faction:
Horse Archer
Neutral
Cost – 18
HP-34
Movement – 7
4-2 Cavalry Sword (Melee-Blade)
6-3 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 20
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Impact 0
Crush 0
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Archer
Neutral
Cost - 17
HP - 32
Xp - 37
Movement -5
5-1 Long Sword (melee-Blade)
5-4 Fire-Arrow (ranged-Fire)
4-4 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Healer
Lvl – 1
Lawful
Cost- 20
Hp – 26
XP – 33
Movement – 5
Cures
6-2 Mace (melee-impact)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire -10
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Mixed Fighter
Neutral
Lvl – 1
Gold - 15
HP – 33
XP – 35
Movement – 6
5-3 Axe (Melee-Blade)
5-3 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierce)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
(Jabaliyya) Heavy Fighter
Lvl – 1
Gold - 18
HP – 40
XP – 40
Movement – 5
Lawful
10-2 Spear (Melee-Pierced)
7-3 Long Sword (Melee-Blade-marksmanship)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Falcon
Lvl 0
Cost – 10 gold
Neutral
Hp – 19
XP – 20
Movement – 7
3-3 claw (Melee-Blade)
6-1 (Melee-Pierce-Charge)
Blade -10
Holy 20
Pierce -10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 3- 30%
Shallow_water – 1- 60%
Mountains – 1- 60%
Grassland – 1- 60%
Swamp_water – 1 - 60%
Tundra – 1 - 60%
Sand – 1 - 60%
Forest – 1- 60%
Hills – 1 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
LVL2
Falcon 2
Lvl 1
Cost – 18 gold
Neutral
Hp – 27
XP – 25
Movement – 8
3-4 claw (Melee-Blade)
9-1 (Melee-Pierce-Charge)
Blade -10
Holy 20
Pierce -10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 3- 30%
Shallow_water – 1- 60%
Mountains – 1- 60%
Grassland – 1- 60%
Swamp_water – 1 - 60%
Tundra – 1 - 60%
Sand – 1 - 60%
Forest – 1- 60%
Hills – 1 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Naffatun
Lvl 2
Cost
Lawful
HP- 45
XP –
Movement – 5
9-3 Naptha thrower (Melee-Fire)
6-3 Compound Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 0
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 20
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Lvl2 Mixed Fighter
Lvl 2
Cost
Lawful
HP- 50
XP – 80
Movement – 5
6-4 Axe (Melee-Blade)
6-4 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierce)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Healer lvl2
Lvl 2
Cost
Lawful
HP- 38
XP – 75
Movement – 5
Regeneration
Cures
7-3 Mace (Melee- Impact)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire -10
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Horse Archer LV2A
(Advances from Horse archer level 1)
Neutral
HP-39
Movement – 8
5-2 Cavalry Sword (Melee-Blade)
7-4 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Impact -10
Pierce -10
Crush 0
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
(Al-halqa) Heavy Cavalry
(advances from Horse Archer)
Neutral
Cost –
HP- 45
Movement – 7
6-2 Small mace (Melee-impact)
9-2 Spear (melee-pierce)
5-3 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 30
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Impact 10
Crush 0
Fire 10
Cold 10
Village – 1 -40%
Cave – 3- 40%
Shallow_water –3- 20%
Mountains – 100- X%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -X - X%
Tundra – 4- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 3- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 50%
Infantry Veteran (advances from heavy infantry)
HP – 58
XP - 75
Movement – 5
Lawful
12-2 Spear
8-3 Sword
10-1 Shield bash (melee-stun-impact)
Blade 20
Holy 20
Pierce 30
Crush 0
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Elite Infantry (Advances from heavy infantry)
HP – 53
XP – 90
Movement – 5
Lawful
14-2 Spear (Melee - Pierce - first strike, )
7-4 Long Sword (Melee – blade – marksmanship)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Lvl2 Archer
HP- 44
XP – 80
Movement – 5
Lawful
8-4 Fire arrow (Ranged-Fire)
5-5 composite bow (Ranged-Pierce)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Last october I had a little brainwave that I wanted to create a new faction based on the armies of the Caliphate in the 11th~12th Century. Over the past couple months the Mp Devs and Xan have been working on this project and we thought that we would unveil what we have on it.
Up front, we would like this faction to be added into the mainline default.... and have balanced the units to that effect. We've created units that are both unique and interesting to play with. This faction's theme will be that it does not have magic, but a clever balance of units that will enable it to fight the other default factions.
Some standouts include:
A true horse archer
A lvl1 healer
a true mixed fighter (equal ranged and melee attack)
A markmanship melee heavy fighter
And a couple of other ideas.
So to start off here are the lvl 1 and 2s stats of the faction:
Horse Archer
Neutral
Cost – 18
HP-34
Movement – 7
4-2 Cavalry Sword (Melee-Blade)
6-3 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 20
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Impact 0
Crush 0
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Archer
Neutral
Cost - 17
HP - 32
Xp - 37
Movement -5
5-1 Long Sword (melee-Blade)
5-4 Fire-Arrow (ranged-Fire)
4-4 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Healer
Lvl – 1
Lawful
Cost- 20
Hp – 26
XP – 33
Movement – 5
Cures
6-2 Mace (melee-impact)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire -10
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Mixed Fighter
Neutral
Lvl – 1
Gold - 15
HP – 33
XP – 35
Movement – 6
5-3 Axe (Melee-Blade)
5-3 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierce)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
(Jabaliyya) Heavy Fighter
Lvl – 1
Gold - 18
HP – 40
XP – 40
Movement – 5
Lawful
10-2 Spear (Melee-Pierced)
7-3 Long Sword (Melee-Blade-marksmanship)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Falcon
Lvl 0
Cost – 10 gold
Neutral
Hp – 19
XP – 20
Movement – 7
3-3 claw (Melee-Blade)
6-1 (Melee-Pierce-Charge)
Blade -10
Holy 20
Pierce -10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 3- 30%
Shallow_water – 1- 60%
Mountains – 1- 60%
Grassland – 1- 60%
Swamp_water – 1 - 60%
Tundra – 1 - 60%
Sand – 1 - 60%
Forest – 1- 60%
Hills – 1 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
LVL2
Falcon 2
Lvl 1
Cost – 18 gold
Neutral
Hp – 27
XP – 25
Movement – 8
3-4 claw (Melee-Blade)
9-1 (Melee-Pierce-Charge)
Blade -10
Holy 20
Pierce -10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 3- 30%
Shallow_water – 1- 60%
Mountains – 1- 60%
Grassland – 1- 60%
Swamp_water – 1 - 60%
Tundra – 1 - 60%
Sand – 1 - 60%
Forest – 1- 60%
Hills – 1 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Naffatun
Lvl 2
Cost
Lawful
HP- 45
XP –
Movement – 5
9-3 Naptha thrower (Melee-Fire)
6-3 Compound Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 0
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 20
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Lvl2 Mixed Fighter
Lvl 2
Cost
Lawful
HP- 50
XP – 80
Movement – 5
6-4 Axe (Melee-Blade)
6-4 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierce)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Healer lvl2
Lvl 2
Cost
Lawful
HP- 38
XP – 75
Movement – 5
Regeneration
Cures
7-3 Mace (Melee- Impact)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire -10
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Horse Archer LV2A
(Advances from Horse archer level 1)
Neutral
HP-39
Movement – 8
5-2 Cavalry Sword (Melee-Blade)
7-4 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Impact -10
Pierce -10
Crush 0
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
(Al-halqa) Heavy Cavalry
(advances from Horse Archer)
Neutral
Cost –
HP- 45
Movement – 7
6-2 Small mace (Melee-impact)
9-2 Spear (melee-pierce)
5-3 Composite Bow (Ranged-Pierced)
Blade 30
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Impact 10
Crush 0
Fire 10
Cold 10
Village – 1 -40%
Cave – 3- 40%
Shallow_water –3- 20%
Mountains – 100- X%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -X - X%
Tundra – 4- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 3- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 50%
Infantry Veteran (advances from heavy infantry)
HP – 58
XP - 75
Movement – 5
Lawful
12-2 Spear
8-3 Sword
10-1 Shield bash (melee-stun-impact)
Blade 20
Holy 20
Pierce 30
Crush 0
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -60%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Elite Infantry (Advances from heavy infantry)
HP – 53
XP – 90
Movement – 5
Lawful
14-2 Spear (Melee - Pierce - first strike, )
7-4 Long Sword (Melee – blade – marksmanship)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 10
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 2- 20%
Mountains – 4- 40%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Lvl2 Archer
HP- 44
XP – 80
Movement – 5
Lawful
8-4 Fire arrow (Ranged-Fire)
5-5 composite bow (Ranged-Pierce)
Blade 10
Holy 20
Pierce 0
Crush -10
Fire 0
Cold 0
Village – 1 -50%
Cave – 2- 40%
Shallow_water – 3- 20%
Mountains – 2- 60%
Grassland – 1- 40%
Swamp_water -2 - 30%
Tundra – 3- 20%
Sand – 1 - 40%
Forest – 2- 40%
Hills – 2 - 60%
Castle – 1- 60%
Last edited by Noy on March 9th, 2006, 6:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Really nice set...
The 2nd level plain archer need some more stuff to make him a bit diferent from 1st level one (maybe adding a few metal studs to his clothes/leather armour or a small golden/silver pin in the headgear)
You can still see the tricks of different artist in some of your final units (a more Neoriceish unit here and more softer Jetrylish there) from the parts you borrowed. Not really important.
On the stats side the spearman 1st level melee markmanship seems a bit overpowered.
Do you mind if I/somebody else move this to art contribution forum?
These units are not official and IMHO this part of the forum should be reserved to the official version.
The 2nd level plain archer need some more stuff to make him a bit diferent from 1st level one (maybe adding a few metal studs to his clothes/leather armour or a small golden/silver pin in the headgear)
You can still see the tricks of different artist in some of your final units (a more Neoriceish unit here and more softer Jetrylish there) from the parts you borrowed. Not really important.
On the stats side the spearman 1st level melee markmanship seems a bit overpowered.
Do you mind if I/somebody else move this to art contribution forum?
These units are not official and IMHO this part of the forum should be reserved to the official version.
Well, they are, in a sense. The Saracens are going to be (eventually) added to the Default era.fmunoz wrote: These units are not official and IMHO this part of the forum should be reserved to the official version.
(I'm in favor of that happening sooner rather than later, BTW. The sooner it is done, the more exposure the saracens get, and thus the quicker they will improve...)
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Does the archer upgrade into two different units? Or does the axeman? If the axeman, it seems odd that he completely switches weapons. If the archer, the change in color is really abrupt.
fmunoz: I moved my not-art anwers to another forum
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1] I've told you again and again, you need to follow the methodology I pointed out for doing chain mail. You're doing an ... ok ... job on the chest armor, but you need to apply this to the coifs as well, and you also need to increase the contrast.
2] Make the heads bigger. Right now many of these are some 2-3 pixels too thin. Neorice could really give you some lessons here.
2] Make the heads bigger. Right now many of these are some 2-3 pixels too thin. Neorice could really give you some lessons here.