Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby AxalaraFlame » November 4th, 2012, 8:59 pm

Wussel wrote:Axalara you can not steal open source. You can only abuse it. Claiming it as your own would not be acceptable, but additionally not successful anyway. Using it without being open source yourself seems to be not good. However that was written based on source code not graphics. So lawyers might enjoy this topic. This Polish side might need the information, that they use this graphics from Wesnoth, if a user uploaded it. Relax... Breath..

Ok, they abused it. What shall we do?

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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby shadowm » November 4th, 2012, 9:10 pm

AxalaraFlame wrote:@Koo
I send that guy a letter and warned him

You are in no position to do this.

I don’t think I need to explain why.
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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby AxalaraFlame » November 4th, 2012, 9:13 pm

@shadowm
But I can do this, and we cannot let him continue to do this. It is personal business and I believe that does not matter with "position".
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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby shadowm » November 4th, 2012, 9:14 pm

No, it is not personal business. You are neither a copyright holder nor a leader in any mainline development area. And frankly, your communication skills are not fit for the task. This should be our (the mainline developers and artists) business, not yours.
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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby pauxlo » November 4th, 2012, 9:16 pm

lurker wrote:
pauxlo wrote:A program using an image is not a derivative of the image.

You cannot use images without a license. So either their program is derived and they have to obey the GPL or it is not and they cannot use the images at all.

So you can't use Photoshop to edit a GPL image, since Photoshop is not GPL, or what?

The image is distributed, and it itself must be relicensed to anyone who gets it (e.g. it must be accompanied by at least a mention of its license), yes. But this does not mean that the game itself must be GPL-licensed. (And in this case, the game is not actually distributed, only the image. But even if they are distributed together, this is not linkage.)

This is specifically mentioned in the license:
GNU GPL v2.0 wrote:In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License.
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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby AxalaraFlame » November 4th, 2012, 9:19 pm

All right...@shikadilord :(
I saved my letter as a draft. Kick his ass for us :)
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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby shadowm » November 4th, 2012, 9:22 pm

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Re: Another stolen Wesnoth graphics report

Postby lurker » November 4th, 2012, 9:55 pm

I am fine with the developers (finally) taking care of this, and do not have stakes in it. But I cannot let this stand:

pauxlo wrote:
lurker wrote:You cannot use images without a license. So either their program is derived and they have to obey the GPL or it is not and they cannot use the images at all.

So you can't use Photoshop to edit a GPL image, since Photoshop is not GPL, or what?

Photoshop and other image processing software is designed to open and work with any image not a specific one. And they are not shipped with the images the user may process. The website in question not only ships the images in question, it uses them as an integral part of the user experience. (From the screenshots it looks like some help screen or skill tree or something like that). So your attempted "reductio ad absurdum" is just that: absurd.

pauxlo wrote:The image is distributed, and it itself must be relicensed to anyone who gets it (e.g. it must be accompanied by at least a mention of its license), yes. But this does not mean that the game itself must be GPL-licensed. (And in this case, the game is not actually distributed, only the image. But even if they are distributed together, this is not linkage.)

This is specifically mentioned in the license:
GNU GPL v2.0 wrote:In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License.

This is not a mere aggregation. As I said, the images are (or seem to be) used as an integral part of the software. And if you would like to ask rhethorically: "Where do you draw the line?", I answer: This is why we have humans as judges, not computers: because for a human it is actually quite simple to decide whether a specific instance crosses the line, even if that line is not fully specified. In my opinion (but formed only from the screenshots) this instance does cross the line quite obviously.

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