About the Elvish & Dwarvish units.

Fama · Post by **Fama** » November 5th, 2004, 12:56 pm

A friend of mine kept on bragging about this, so here it goes:
Shouldn't the Elvish & Dwarvish units be Elven & Dwarven? Like "Elven archer" and "Dwarven fighter"? Or is there are reason for them to be Elvish & Dwarvish? (Everytime I see the name "Elvish" I think about Elvis... Elvish scout... Hmm...)

Post by **turin** » November 5th, 2004, 1:24 pm

yes, they should according to Tolkien. the words are correct as they are for "normal purposes".

however, i think Tolkien's arguments for changing them to "elven" and "dwarven" were good. So i personally think we should make a conversion.

Dacyn · Post by **Dacyn** » November 5th, 2004, 1:34 pm

Don't forget 'Orcish'... we could change it to 'Orken'

eugenelim · Post by **eugenelim** » November 5th, 2004, 7:57 pm

Fama wrote:Shouldn't the Elvish & Dwarvish units be Elven & Dwarven?

Now that you mentioned it, dwarven sounds better than dwarvish. Dwarvish means "like a dwarf", while dwarven means "is a dwarf".

Dacyn wrote:Don't forget 'Orcish'... we could change it to 'Orken'

Orken sounds like swine.

Rather than call them Orcish grunt and Orcish assasin, how about Orc Grunt and Orc assasin? I believe the correct term will just be to use the word "Orc" in front.

joshbosh321 · Post by **joshbosh321** » November 5th, 2004, 9:30 pm

eugenelim wrote:Orken sounds like swine. Rather than call them Orcish grunt and Orcish assasin, how about Orc Grunt and Orc assasin? I believe the correct term will just be to use the word "Orc" in front.

I believe that Dacyn was joking. I like the term for orcs the way it is, but agree that Elvish and Dwarvish should be changed to Elven and Dwarven.

Mkgego · Post by **Mkgego** » November 5th, 2004, 9:43 pm

Elfs Dwarvs and Orks !

Orken sounds...ridiculus

Dacyn · Post by **Dacyn** » November 5th, 2004, 10:15 pm

joshbosh321 wrote:I believe that Dacyn was joking.

Yes, although I think it is somewhat inconsistent to use 'elven' and then 'orcish'. 'orc' sounds good, though...

Post by **quartex** » November 5th, 2004, 11:15 pm

Elven and Dwarven do sound better. From D&D I remember phrases like "Dwarven mail", not "Dwarvish mail".

scott · Post by **scott** » November 6th, 2004, 2:26 am

Need I remind everybody that Wesnoth is not [...]?

I couldn't resist. Demagogery can wipe out the best of arguments.

Herkum · Post by **Herkum** » November 6th, 2004, 4:46 am

Does this mean a cross between a Dwarf and an Ork is a...

Dork?

MadMax · Post by **MadMax** » November 6th, 2004, 1:37 pm

I'm against this. Elven and Dwarven do sound better, but I think we are too close to 1.0 to undergo a change as major as this. For one thing, it will break saves. Also, every scenario that uses Elves will need to be changed.

joshbosh321 · Post by **joshbosh321** » November 6th, 2004, 1:47 pm

MadMax wrote:I'm against this. Elven and Dwarven do sound better, but I think we are too close to 1.0 to undergo a change as major as this. For one thing, it will break saves. Also, every scenario that uses Elves will need to be changed.

it's called "find and replace":)

silene · Post by **silene** » November 6th, 2004, 1:54 pm

joshbosh321 wrote:it's called "find and replace"

No, it's not. There is no way we will break backward compatibility. It was done months ago for a few units (crossbow -> crossbowman) and it's still plaguing the unit files because it requires to keep a different file for each different name. But you are free to come up with a code patch that allows to do a name change just by finding and replacing.

MadMax · Post by **MadMax** » November 6th, 2004, 2:02 pm

An idea: change the unit names, not the IDs. But that has HACK written all over it.

joshbosh321 · Post by **joshbosh321** » November 6th, 2004, 2:17 pm

silene wrote:
joshbosh321 wrote:it's called "find and replace"
No, it's not. There is no way we will break backward compatibility. It was done months ago for a few units (crossbow -> crossbowman) and it's still plaguing the unit files because it requires to keep a different file for each different name. But you are free to come up with a code patch that allows to do a name change just by finding and replacing.

I meant "find and replace" in the scenarios/saves/unit files that need to be changed.

Edit: Also, I see no problem with changing the names and not the id's, except that that will probably annoy people who didn't realize that the names and id's aren't the same, and so get bugs in their scenarios.