Items images...

[fmunoz]

I just suffered an attack of itemitis ... a grave illness that causes compulsive item image creation
Not all this items are really suited to this game but I post them to inspection.
The gif linked are smaller (in pixel size) then the bmp used so just ask me for the graphics:
Caped Plate (not trully original, need some redone)

Jade Lance

Bomb

Dagger

Steel Dagger

Round Buckler

Feathered hat

Goldbar

Golden Mail (not trully original, need some redone)

Arrows
Silver

Golden

TrueAim


Magician Hat


Some oriental flavour (really not in the mood of the game)
Kabuto

Oni Mask

Ninjato

Shuriken

Fire shuriken

[ettin]

I like your artwork.
It reminds me some graphics from Tibia, a game I played some years ago, and which graphics are based on Ultima 6 and 7.
If you need more ideas... this links can be useful:
Tibia Creatures
Tibia Items

[fmunoz]

Yes I know Tibia (but never player) this afternoon I was considering sending them an email offering my graphic services
They have a pay per play game and they really need some improved graphics (seems that their good artits are working in the mobile phone game)

[Dave]

The graphics look great. We have to think about putting them in the game. I still want to make it so that when you view a description of a unit it shows all the items they are carrying.

Currently the only two items in the game are,

- Storm Trident - can be used by Mermen and gives them a long range, magical lightning attack
- Holy Water - can be used by any unit. Makes all of their close range attacks holy for the remainder of the level

Anyone have specific suggestions as to items we might put in, and the effects they might have? Mostly effects involve adding new attacks, modifying existing attacks, and changing unit stats like movement, etc. We will NOT be having items that involve anything specific in the interface to cater for that item (e.g. like a bomb that you select and throw at someone or something, it'd have to be just like a normal attack).

The sorts of things that items could do:

- a special bow, that increases the damage archers do
- a cloak which makes the wearer invisible
- poison, which makes one's weapon poisonous
- a scroll, which teaches a mage a new kind of attack
- boots, which increase someone's movement
- an exceptionally fast horse, which increases a mounted unit's movement

It would be possible to have something like a healing potion, but the effect would be to heal a unit that moves onto it on the spot. The potion would not be storable to be used later; storing it would complicate the game's interface.

David

[Shroud]

If someone was to pick up the buckler, it could give a %20 chance to block any attacks.


Or perhaps a %10 or %20 chance to block attacks against a unit in a hex adjacent to the unit holding the buckler

[miyo]

Anyway, let's keep the items few per scenario so we don't build yet another get-the-powerups game. Fighting is done with units not with items, occasional few items in scenario can give some extra flavor.

Storm Trident at the bottom of the sea in Bay of Pearls was nice.
White Mage hiding in the temple in Muff Malal's Peninsula was nice.
Potions of Holy in the Valley of Death, ermm... it would have been better to have ancient ruins (eg. in the forest) or temples to visit and find these items from them.

- Miyo

[fmunoz]

Maybe a sacred fountain hidden in a glade?

[Dave]

Anyway, let's keep the items few per scenario so we don't build yet another get-the-powerups game. Fighting is done with units not with items, occasional few items in scenario can give some extra flavor.

Absolutely. We will not be having an insane number of items in the game.

David

[fmunoz]

I have more item images at
http://www.geocities.com/fmunoz_/wesnoth/items.html

I have also a couple of ideas for items, powerfull but not too much

Lion Banner
A red and golden flag.
It gives the Leadership and a +1 level to apply it (so a fighter with this banner will apply the skill to other fighters too)

Unicorn horn
Gives heal to the user

Phase Glyph
A ancient looking rune carved stone
Gives the teleport ability.

Nothing too fancy but very usefull.

[Dave]

One current potential problem in the game is that each unit can have only one special ability. So you can't have a unit that has leadership and can teleport, for instance.

Question: do we want to keep it like this, or should I add support for units having more than one special ability?

At the current time if you get an item that gives you a special ability, it clobbers over any other special ability you have.

I'm also looking at allowing weapons to be of more than one type. If a weapon is used against an enemy, the damage is calculated using the best possible type. The primary motivating example for this is dwarves and their axes. I think that a battle axe should have type 'blade' and 'impact', making it good generally, as well as good against undead, since if you think about it, an axe would likely be good against undead.

David

[zas]

I think having more than one ability per unit is a good idea, especially if in future we have books as objects, so units can learn a new ability ...
temporary abilities can be result of spells, ....

[fmunoz]

One current potential problem in the game is that each unit can have only one special ability. So you can't have a unit that has leadership and can teleport, for instance.

Question: do we want to keep it like this, or should I add support for units having more than one special ability?
At the current time if you get an item that gives you a special ability, it clobbers over any other special ability you have.

It's a strategic game with some flavour of RPG (not the other way around) so you are right forget about items giving abilities.

I'm also looking at allowing weapons to be of more than one type. If a weapon is used against an enemy, the damage is calculated using the best possible type. The primary motivating example for this is dwarves and their axes. I think that a battle axe should have type 'blade' and 'impact', making it good generally, as well as good against undead, since if you think about it, an axe would likely be good against undead.
David

Why not just make 2 entries for a weapon.
axe -> blade 8/3 melee
axe -> impact 6/3 melee
Keeping things simple will be better.

[miyo]

Spear should also be given 'impact'... you can use it like staff.

Don't make it use most efficient method of attack - because sometimes I want to make the enemy weaker and then finish it with selected unit (keywords here are experience and leveling)

- Miyo

[Dave]

Spear should also be given 'impact'... you can use it like staff.

Don't make it use most efficient method of attack - because sometimes I want to make the enemy weaker and then finish it with selected unit (keywords here are experience and leveling)

The idea of having multiple ways to attack like this is to do more damage, not less. No spearman is going to intentionally attack with the wrong end of his spear.

David

[miyo]

That really depends... check the chinese (martial arts) way of using spear. They use both blade, shaft and blunt end.

But you do have a point... players (like me) would possibly like to do things (optimization) that warriors would not use in real combat.

Miyo takes a hit.

When there are multi-use (crush/impale/cut) weapons - maybe unit should use most efficient method (after all they are professionals, right?).

- Miyo