New ranged units - Dwarvish Fire, Gas and Tar throwers
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New ranged units - Dwarvish Fire, Gas and Tar throwers
Dwarvish Fire-thrower, Tar-thrower Gas-blaster
I have seen in a few threads recently that dwarfs are now considered to be a bit lame but i don't want a debate about that here. What i do want to do is present some ideas for dwarf units. At the moment the advancement trees for dwarfs is very simple and I don't suggest to introduce lots of new level 1 units, i think a wide variety of advancements would also make the race quite unique.
In a lot of other games (I know WIN ....) dwarfs are a technical race and I see no reason why this shouldn't be true in wesnoth, they are still miners/tunnelers which is a technical business. They are also a very physically strong race so carrying a lot of gear should not affect their movement.
A couple of simple advancements for the thunderer. I am aware of these threads but i figured it was better to start a new thread as they are all old:
flameguard
stormguard
The main strength of all these proposed units is in the introduction of the specials rather than quibbles over actually damage which, while important can only be discussed after the initial idea.
Tar thrower – tar is very sticky so this would have a 'slow' effect, it would also be ranged. The melee should also be designed for the tar thrower to capitalize on it's enemy's slowed state. Tar is obviously easy to come across under ground.
Gas thrower – poisonous gas is a major problem to miners and so it seems sensible that the dwarfs could weaponize it. This attack would obviously have the 'poison' special.
Fire thrower – an obvious technical leap from the previous two – it's a flamethrower – I have seen people suggest the addition of the 'fire' special to thunderer units anyway.
There are two things that could further enhance this unit however:
1) 'burn' has been suggested for a drake weapon special– that seems appropriate here also rather than 'fire'
2) it seems fair that as all these weapons affect an area, i.e. they are spray weapons they could have increased chances to hit – this is very true with the fire thrower, i can't imagine how elves could have 70% defense against a flamethrower in forest?! That means the unit either has to have a 'magical' special or we need something other than 'marksman' and multiple shots to represent their high chance of hitting
I have seen in a few threads recently that dwarfs are now considered to be a bit lame but i don't want a debate about that here. What i do want to do is present some ideas for dwarf units. At the moment the advancement trees for dwarfs is very simple and I don't suggest to introduce lots of new level 1 units, i think a wide variety of advancements would also make the race quite unique.
In a lot of other games (I know WIN ....) dwarfs are a technical race and I see no reason why this shouldn't be true in wesnoth, they are still miners/tunnelers which is a technical business. They are also a very physically strong race so carrying a lot of gear should not affect their movement.
A couple of simple advancements for the thunderer. I am aware of these threads but i figured it was better to start a new thread as they are all old:
flameguard
stormguard
The main strength of all these proposed units is in the introduction of the specials rather than quibbles over actually damage which, while important can only be discussed after the initial idea.
Tar thrower – tar is very sticky so this would have a 'slow' effect, it would also be ranged. The melee should also be designed for the tar thrower to capitalize on it's enemy's slowed state. Tar is obviously easy to come across under ground.
Gas thrower – poisonous gas is a major problem to miners and so it seems sensible that the dwarfs could weaponize it. This attack would obviously have the 'poison' special.
Fire thrower – an obvious technical leap from the previous two – it's a flamethrower – I have seen people suggest the addition of the 'fire' special to thunderer units anyway.
There are two things that could further enhance this unit however:
1) 'burn' has been suggested for a drake weapon special– that seems appropriate here also rather than 'fire'
2) it seems fair that as all these weapons affect an area, i.e. they are spray weapons they could have increased chances to hit – this is very true with the fire thrower, i can't imagine how elves could have 70% defense against a flamethrower in forest?! That means the unit either has to have a 'magical' special or we need something other than 'marksman' and multiple shots to represent their high chance of hitting
Are you proposing that the tar thrower advances into the gas thrower advances into the fire thrower? Remember, RIBLIP, and it would IMHO make little sense for a unit to have all three specials.
I think that for a poison-gas throwing unit, it would make sense for it to do little damage (1-2), but have poison.
I think that for a poison-gas throwing unit, it would make sense for it to do little damage (1-2), but have poison.
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Of course a cloud can hurt you physically... Mustard gas, phosgene, cyanide, etc... 
Here's one which acts within minutes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
I like the idea of giving the dwarves flamethrowers as a 2nd level unit, but perhaps giving them tar-throwers and poison-throwers would be unbalancing. But then I don't know what abilities most of the units beyond level 1 have yet, so I could be wrong.
Here's one which acts within minutes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
I like the idea of giving the dwarves flamethrowers as a 2nd level unit, but perhaps giving them tar-throwers and poison-throwers would be unbalancing. But then I don't know what abilities most of the units beyond level 1 have yet, so I could be wrong.
Since flamethrowers were generally only useful in WWI when fired from trenches, we can imagine the flame-unit throwing something like greek fire or a molotov cocktail at an enemy instead of using an actual flamethrower.
What would be cool would be to have fire damage have a chance to light an enemy on fire (if the attack hits, a second roll could be made to see if this happens), doing extra damage every turn like poison does. It would have a chance to go out each turn (stop, drop, and roll), or would go out if the unit moved onto a water, swamp, or snow tile. If they were on one of those when they got lit on fire, then it could do the extra damage once and then go out. Admittedly, this isn't the simplest idea to implement, so it probably won't get added.
What would be cool would be to have fire damage have a chance to light an enemy on fire (if the attack hits, a second roll could be made to see if this happens), doing extra damage every turn like poison does. It would have a chance to go out each turn (stop, drop, and roll), or would go out if the unit moved onto a water, swamp, or snow tile. If they were on one of those when they got lit on fire, then it could do the extra damage once and then go out. Admittedly, this isn't the simplest idea to implement, so it probably won't get added.
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No, leave dangerous things like that to the humans. They don't fit in Wesnoth's attack system anyway.
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Ah, I must've missed the link the first time. I've read that thread now. In general, after reading all of that, I like the idea of just doing extra damage at the end of combat best - unless the burned unit is on a water or swamp terrain.dibblethewrecker wrote:SL - you are talking about 'burn' - i made the effort to provide a link to it so may be you could read it? Just an idea