Heroes

[Kanzil]

The first death knight that springs to mind is Lionel. Also, seeing as Sir Garrick and Deoran are from the same campaign why not have Gweddry instead?

[TheScribe]

Actually, do you think it would be a problem if I took a death knight and gave him a bow? (starting lower level of course)

Never heard about any mainline DK with a bow.

That's because there isn't one. I just thought it might be better than some generic guy.

And the crossbow would be better, thanks for the suggestion.

The first death knight that springs to mind is Lionel. Also, seeing as Sir Garrick and Deoran are from the same campaign why not have Gweddry instead?

Same here about Lionel. That's why I used him.

Who exactly is Gweddry? Which would he replace? (Haven't played EI yet)

[Kanzil]

Gweddry would replace Sir Garrick, who is a relatively peripheral character. Gweddry is a promising officer, sent to re-man the River-guard posts, at the behest of the king, along with Dacyn. He is driven into the northern wilds by an unprecedented undead invasion, which he returns and defeats in the epic siege of Weldyn, and the duel thereafter. He is made Earl of the Estmark by the king in recognition of his service.

[TheScribe]

Does he have leadership? If so then yeah, he'll be put in.

[Kanzil]

He's a lieutenant so yes, he does have leadership.

[Creativity]

That's because there isn't one. I just thought it might be better than some generic guy.

And the crossbow would be better, thanks for the suggestion.



Who exactly is Gweddry? Which would he replace? (Haven't played EI yet)

The death knight has a crossbow.
http://units.wesnoth.org/1.10/mainline/ ... night.html

[TheScribe]

Perfect, to both.

[TheScribe]

I've been working on stats, even with the lack of Drake leaders. The Loyalist leaders' stats are included in the spoilers below. Please help with balancing.

Camerin:

Spoiler:

Lvl2:
Cost: 40
HP: 48
MP: 5
XP: 62
6 - 2 melee (impact)
9 – 4 ranged (fire) (magical)

Lvl3:
Cost: 70
HP: 56
MP: 5
XP: 89
7 - 2 melee (impact)
10 – 5 ranged (fire) (magical)

Lvl4:
Cost: 90
HP: 69
MP: 5
XP: 112
7 - 3 melee (impact)
13 – 5 ranged (fire) (magical)

Lvl5:
Cost: 102
HP: 85
MP: 7
XP: 250
7 - 3 melee (impact)
12 – 6 ranged (fire) (magical)

Konrad:

Spoiler:

Lvl2:
Cost: 40
HP: 55
MP: 6
XP: 76
9 - 4 melee (blade)

Lvl3:
Cost: 55
HP: 70
MP: 6
XP: 98
8 - 5 melee (blade)

Lvl4:
Cost: 78
HP: 73
MP: 6
XP: 123
10 - 5 melee (blade)
7 - 1 ranged (pierce)

Lvl5:
Cost: 102
HP: 85
MP: 7
XP: 250
10 - 5 melee (blade) (marksman)
5 - 2 ranged (pierce)

Deoran:

Spoiler:

Lvl2:
Cost: 40
HP: 42
MP: 8
XP: 81
12 - 2 melee (pierce) (charge)
5 – 4 melee (impact)

Lvl3:
Cost: 55
HP: 61
MP: 8
XP: 102
13 - 2 melee (pierce) (charge)
5 – 4 melee (impact)

Lvl4:
Cost: 78
HP: 73
MP: 9
XP: 123
15 – 2 melee (pierce) (charge)
5 - 5 melee (impact)

Lvl5:
Cost: 102
HP: 85
MP: 9
XP: 250
17 – 2 melee (pierce) (charge)
5 - 5 melee (impact)

Gweddry:

Spoiler:

Lvl2:
Cost: 40
HP: 55
MP: 5
XP: 83
leadership
6 - 4 melee (blade)
9 – 1 ranged (pierce)

Lvl3:
Cost: 55
HP: 72
MP: 5
XP: 98
leadership
8 - 4 melee (blade)
12 – 1 ranged (pierce)

Lvl4:
Cost: 78
HP: 80
MP: 5
XP: 127
leadership
10 - 4 melee (blade)
15 – 1 ranged (pierce)

Lvl5:
Cost: 102
HP: 86
MP: 5
XP: 250
leadership
10 - 4 melee (blade)
10 – 2 ranged (pierce)

Tallin:

Spoiler:

Lvl2:
Cost: 40
HP: 61
MP: 4
XP: 83
19 - 2 melee (pierce) (firststrike)

Lvl3:
Cost: 55
HP: 79
MP: 5
XP: 112
23 - 2 melee (pierce) (firststrike)

Lvl4:
Cost: 78
HP: 87
MP: 5
XP: 132
20 - 3 melee (pierce) (firststrike)
20 – 2 melee (blade)

Lvl5:
Cost: 102
HP: 93
MP: 5
XP: 250
22 - 3 melee (pierce) (firststrike)
22 – 2 melee (blade)

Sister Thera:

Spoiler:

Lvl2:
Cost: 40
HP: 46
MP: 5
XP: 61
Cures, heals +8
6 - 1 melee (impact)
9 – 3 ranged (arcane) (magical)

Lvl3:
Cost: 70
HP: 54
MP: 5
XP: 89
Cures, heals +8
8 - 1 melee (impact)
7 – 4 ranged (arcane) (magical)

Lvl4:
Cost: 90
HP: 65
MP: 5
XP: 101
Cures, heals +8, illuminates
7 - 2 melee (impact)
9 – 4 ranged (arcane) (magical)

Lvl5:
Cost: 102
HP: 72
MP: 6
XP: 250
Cures. Heals +8, illuminates
6 - 3 melee (impact)
10 – 5 ranged (arcane) (magical)

I made Tallin go through the pikeman line, as it was the most needed. (already had leadership and blade)

EDIT: ignore the costs, they're irrelevant

[taptap]

Your Camerin is in fact weaker than a normal Great Mage line unit. And are you sure you really want L5 leadership? (Fate of a Princess has one such scenario for fun, but for a good reasons you can't recall any of the units used there.)

[TheScribe]

Camerin's weaker? I thought I fixed that...

Okay, I'll change that. And yes, lvl5 leadership is a little overpowered, but your leader is supposed to be really good. Thanks for the feedback, and I'd appreciate any other comments.

[TheScribe]

A quick comparison of Camerin to the Great Mage line:

Camerin lvl2 has 6 more hitpoints than the Red Mage, and has one more damage on his ranged attack. (also requires less XP)

Camerin lvl3 has 2 more hitpoints than the Arch Mage, and has 9 - 5 on his ranged, as opposed to 12 - 4, equaling less damage. I'll change it to 10 - 5.

Camerin lvl4 has 4 more hitpoints than the Great Mage, and has 11 - 5 on his ranged, as opposed to 16 - 4, equaling less damage. I'll change it to 13 - 5. He also has a stronger melee.

No lvl5 to compare to. I'll change it's ranged to 12 - 6, to make it correct with the lvl4. I edited the old post as such. Thanks.

[Celtic_Minstrel]

Isn't Konrad supposed to have a bow or something? Or did you leave that out intentionally? Similarly, the original Deoran has a mace, not a sword. Again, no idea whether this change was intentional.

[TheScribe]

About Deoran, accident. (I combined him with the guy from TSG)

About Konrad, similar accident, though it's a crossbow, and gets added as later.

I'll edit those changes in too.

[tuggyne]

You've got some unfortunate RIPLIB violations here, mostly reducing damage while increasing strikes. (Bolded selections below.) Deoran's is particularly bad; his blade attack at level 3 is not only worse in some cases, but is hardly ever better; for that matter, why does his damage go up so very slowly?

Camerin:
Lvl4: 13 – 5 ranged (fire) (magical)
Lvl5: 12 – 6 ranged (fire) (magical)

Konrad:
Lvl2: 9 - 4 melee (blade)
Lvl3: 8 - 5 melee (blade)

Lvl4: 7 - 1 ranged (pierce)
Lvl5: 5 - 2 ranged (pierce)

Deoran:
Lvl2: 5 – 4 melee (blade)
Lvl3: 4 – 5 melee (blade)

Gweddry:
Lvl4: 15 – 1 ranged (pierce)
Lvl5: 10 – 2 ranged (pierce)

Tallin:
Lvl3: 23 - 2 melee (pierce) (firststrike)
Lvl4: 20 - 3 melee (pierce) (firststrike)

Sister Theresa:
Lvl2: 6 - 1 melee (impact)
9 – 3 ranged (arcane) (magical)
Lvl3: 8 - 1 melee (impact)
7 – 4 ranegd (arcane) (magical)
Lvl4: 7 - 2 melee (impact)
9 – 4 ranged (arcane) (magical)
Lvl5: 6 - 3 melee (impact)
10 – 5 ranged (arcane) (magical)

[Celtic_Minstrel]

Without covering any of the specific cases here, I'll point out that reducing damage while increasing strikes is not a reduction in power level (and is in fact something of an improvement) if the product of damage and strikes has increased.

For example, 7-1 to 5-2 (as with Konrad's level 4 to level 5) fits this: damage potential goes up from 7 to 10.